"Renault unveils first images of 2014 Formula 1 V6 turbo"

There just isn't the ability for these engineers to actually develop and evolve. The FIA **** with these guys every damn year right as team X or Y is getting better and better with the current regs.

F1 is becoming a joke. I grew up with Formula 1 and I've caught myself following the LMP1 and GT3 cars more and more. You don't see growth in the sport anymore, just adaptation to rule changes.

Formula 1 just needs to turn into a multi-class racing series so we can let manufacturers choose which group of regulations apply best to their budget.

 

That's an improvement over what they sounded like prior. But I don't think they will sound like this at all.

 

Push them.
But not TOO much. Something might break and one of the Scrooge McDucks that own F1 teams might have to get change for one of those million Euro notes they usually use for lighting cigars.

 

Ok so:

1989-1995 ... 3.5 litre V12 ... 660 hp at 13,000 rpm
1996–2005 ... 3.0 litre V10 ... 850 hp at 19,000 rpm
2006-2013 ... 2.4 litre V8 ... 750 hp at 18,000 rpm
2014-2015 ... 1.6 litre V6 turbo ??? hp at 15,000 rpm

2016+ --- Fully electric motors. Pit stops have artificial lightning bolt strike points for instant battery charge.

 

Not living in the past? The turbo era is well behind us. They've eliminated traction control, reduced downforce and brought back slicks. This IS the past!

If you improved the steam engine, that's because technology has progressed. Building a better turbo happens with time, that's not some credit to Formula 1 engineering. I, as well as any other fan would expect engineers to be able to do better after more than twenty years!

You want to get out of the past, let the teams vote on the engines they want, bring back big aero and TC, let the tyre manufacturers build better tyres and LET THE TEAMS TEST YEAR ROUND! This is moving forward.

The FIA is simply forcing F1 to become better at being a little bit worse. "So you're making some amazing V10's? Well make a better V8. Finally getting there? Make a better 6. And throw in forced induction so all your engineer's work on naturally aspirated technology gets a big wrench thrown in the mix."

Anybody can become better at doing anything with the best minds in that respective industry lending insight. This is just the FIA screwing with natural progress by inventing new hurdles. One step forwards, two steps back. It's foolish.

 

Hang on a moment; There's very, very, few (no significant) rule changes this year or last come to that. This isn't Nascar where you get ahead and get creamed.....

I think I've heard that ever since I started watching (>40 years back BTW! )

Ahh, yeah; the racing where you build a better mousetrap only to see it "Bop'd" to level the playing field. And if you overcome that, you get BOP'd again! I could be wrong, but believe the ACO/FIA WEC rules allow 'em to **** with you on a race by race basis all in order to keep 'em close! Screw that; I do a better job than you (legally), I should win without anyone messing with me. Seems to me that only happens in F1 these days.

No thankyou very much! Who actually really cares who won the GTXX (this week) at Le Mans? Win the whole thing or you're nowhere IMO.

Don't like the budgets needed? Go and play somewhere else. But please, please, please no "classes". Design it, build it, race it. Simple.

Cheers,
Ian

 

The turbo engine idea was the FIA's.

The V6 idea was Ferrari's.

The FIA originally wanted straight 4 turbo engines but Ferrari said V6's were more in keeping with their heritage and so the FIA and The Technical Working Group decided that V6 turbo's was the way to go.

 

Bernie had sound quality issues with the proposed fours.

 

Yeah that sounds pretty cool, but if they sound anything like the indy cars it'll make downgrade the sport a LOT for me and I'm going to assume a ****load more people.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Vs4Mv7ibkA]Ferrari F1 V10 vs V12 EPIC Sounds! - YouTube[/ame]

For comparison sake.

 

Well Ian, I'm sure you've seen more of the sports changes than I have over your many years of fandom. I just don't know the point of so many regulation changes.

As far as different classes, I for one thoroughly enjoy the many classes of ALMS and the European circuit. Because the types of cars are so different from one another, you see multiple races at once between varying levels of technology. Being a Ferrari lover, I follow Risi Cometizione. Also being a German car guy, I've followed Audi's Le Mans efforts for years in LMP1 as well as various teams racing 911's in GT3. I care who wins what class because I appreciate the differences between the cars and the combines levels of motorsport in one race. I'm sure I don't speak for the masses in thinking this would help F1, but I know I'm also not alone in this thinking.

And there were measures taken a few year ago to make it more affordable for teams to compete. There's been quite a big fuss over the high costs of Formula 1 in recent years so apparently many people disagree with your idea of playing somewhere else. I think manufacturers should be able to spend whatever they want.

 

I remember a bit of an out-cry over the idea of a 4 as well...

 

Renault V6 to deliver less power > F1 News > Grandprix.com

550-600 HP in the race. LOL wow...

 

Gross or net?

 

If that's the case they really need to raise the fuel allowance north of 10,500rpm. Perhaps a second step of fuel at 12k rpm or the like.


550-600bhp seems low as all the models I have seen even with the fuel restriction being what they are show the engine would make 600-640bhp depending on the model. ERS system dropping in another 120-150bhp.

 

As I mentioned before, we are talking GP2 power here, in fact I think GP2's are about 620, but I could stand corrected.

F1 "used" to equate with "pinnacle". Look what we have now. Honestly, I reckon with a few good mates I could build a donk producing that level of power in my garage.

New engines in F1 summary:-
- Huge expense to teams
- Less powerful
- More ordinary
- Focus shifts from "engineering pinnacle" to "car salesman"

 

Very disappointed when I read that about 160 HP out of 750 HP total for the new turbo engines will come from KERS.

They should be at least 800 without KERs and clawing toward 1000 HP with it if we are trying to move forward instead of treading water for oh, 10 years at this rate.

 

I've got to agree with everyone here! - so far the 2014 F1 season has been c:censored: p!

The cars all sound rubbish!
They're far too slow!
the racing is boring!
It's a complete waste of time!


"C'mon Doc, let's get back in the Delorean and get back to the good old 2013 season with proper cars!"

 

What do you know, Captain Smart Ass is at it again! How DARE any of us mere mortals criticize anything to do with F1 or the direction its taking!

I have to ask, do you have a brass statue of Bernie that you worship in your closet in your spare time?

 

You seem to have missed the point I'm making by the proverbial country mile so I'll simplify it a bit:

People are already judging how the 2014 season is going to be when there isn't even a 2014 car built yet!

The 2014 season is being written off as being rubbish based on unsubstantiated hypothesis and bias.

Until there are cars on track you have no idea what F1 is going to be like. Try waiting and seeing what it's like before you condemn it as being rubbish!

Then if you don't like it - feel free to watch something else! - There's no Law saying that you have to watch F1 (Although My mate Bernie says he is working on it! )

 

No, you're missing the point. People are upset about the power levels, those are facts, and have been given to us by the engine manufacturers themselves. Gee, do you think cars are going to be a lot FASTER with 100 less HP than they have today?

You don't need a time machine to figure out that they won't be.

Keep your knees on the prayer rug, maybe Bernie can save us from economy-run V6s (Lord knows he's trying!)

And IMO, they won't sound as good. It's not like a turbo V6 is something that's never been heard before in F1...we can make educated guesses as to what they'll sound like.

 

Yeah! -these cars sound like s:censored:t! :[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNjB2oIv9cw]Great Drives Michele Alboreto Monaco 1985 - YouTube[/ame]

The new cars will sound different, and their performance may slower than the old cars, but I for one will wait until they're actually on track and racing before I pass any judgements on how good or bad the season is.

I'll leave it at that before you start throwing personal insults around in this thread as well.

 

IMO, it does. Sounds like a 2012 IndyCar.

 

I think in the media savvy age, Bernie may even instruct the teams to build headers, etc, in such a way as to enhance the sound, and check the end result to verify. Unfortunately, there are precious few times I've ever heard a V-6 sound fantastic, although open wastegated turbo systems can sound incredible and overshadow the exhaust sound completely on street based engines, so maybe they'll take that approach. I have heard numerous I-6s with tremendous sounds, but the packaging wouldn't work well for F1. I am at least thankful they did away with the I-4 idea.