2007, the start of the saga http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/other-italian/166418-barn-find-bizzarrini-20.html http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/other-italian/166418-barn-find-bizzarrini-21.html when you read theses posts, it just show that people was right about what was going to happen in the futur as IT HAPPEN, theses fakes cars are now in America imported as real Bizzarrini cars ! the truth is there for everybody now to understand completely this saga . What a shame
I am usually one to hold my tongue and let things play out how they will but after readying some of the comments on this thread I felt that I had to say a few things. Mr. Pascal2012, Based off your tone, personal attacks, the stories you post and tendency to misinterpret information, you sound scarily similar to a certain individual, we shall call him Mr. O, who was previously banned from multiple exotic car forums for flaming/trolling. I am not saying that you are this individual, just making an observation. Along the same lines, many of these so called posts that the community needs to see are not based on actually facts and seemed to more closely resemble the angry and jealous tantrums of a child. Keep in mind that you are on Ferrari chat; this is a place for gentlemen and ladies to discuss their passion for automobiles. The gentleman thing to do would be to actually read into the description given with the A3C continuation car and the forum references you posted. Both actually clarify all your comments and concerns. Yes, I understand that English can be a difficult 2nd language to learn, so I urge you to reread until you have your facts strait. And if things become confusing, there are plenty of Iso and Bizzarrini club members all over the world who would be more than happy to explain if asked in a professional manner. . Flame shield ON haha Now to bring things back to the actual topic of this thread, the Iso A3C! The P538 has no place here (also very misinformed and twisted information). I grew up with the sound of a Grifo big block lulling me to sleep, so it is save to say that Iso has and always will be a big part of my life. Over the past few years I have had the pleasure of meeting cars and owners from all over the world. Including Piero Rivolta, Giotto Bizzarrini, former Iso employees and the craftsmen behind this beautiful Iso A3C continuation car. And yes it is in fact a continuation car. Similarly to the Shelby continuation cars sanctioned by Carroll himself and somewhat like the Austin Martin DB4 GT Zagato built later by the factory; this car is built with original parts, authorized by Rivolta himself, and built to such stringent originality standards that it qualifies for international historic racing. Of course it wasnt built in the 1960s and no one ever said it was. What they did say was that this is a rebirth of a legend. I have no vested interest in profiting off this but I do have a vested interest in peoples passion for Iso. I doubt that you will find bigger Iso and Bizzarrini fanatics then the people involved in this project. It pains me to see their good names being tarnished by individuals who have never fact checked with actual club members or historical references. This is not a place for accusations but a place for spreading the fascination and love of these cars to current and future generations.
I only relate the facts and with one post in 6 years from you, I don t share your opinion as you are surely a friend of Gerd Copperfield !....lol The facts are the facts and go to read yourself the declaration to the customs of your friend.
Your comments #this car is built with original parts, authorized by Rivolta himself, and built to such stringent originality standards that it qualifies for international historic racing.# How do you known if you are not closely involve of this ? How do you known that the replica was authorized by Rivolta ? How do you known that they use original parts ? If you believe that ISO A3C NOS parts are still available, we are not leaving in the same planet or you are a dreamer ! How do you known that the replica is built to such stringent originality standards, DID you see the car ? Are you a expert in ISO A3C ? Do you have one original yourself ? How do you qualify yourself ? A fan, a expert, a owner ? and if you own somethings, explain to us Please put the light on your real motives if you have some. You just express your opinion and it look like that you have choose to take the defense of the replica organisation. Me, I relate the facts found on internet with real declaration by importators who lie on their declaration. Replica ISO A3C have new chassis built, they are not a ISO A3C, they are just a replica. A Iso is a car built by the factory in the 60, not in 2013. A CAV GT40 is not a GT40, is not a continuation GT40, it s replica, same with ISO
Ah, but it is so fun. When you hold their feet and move your hands back and forth their hair flies out in all directions.
A friend of mine built a Factory Five cobra replica in California a few years ago and was able to title it as a 1965 Cobra. He said that every year the California DMV handed out a small number of 'old' dates for their titles. THis is unethical and just plays into the hands of scam artists. In a related note I remember about 15 years ago Carroll Shelby 'found' 20 or 30 NOS 1966 427 cobra chassis that he intended to use to make continuation cars. Yeah , right; how does one lose 20 chassis? Does anyone have an update on that scam?
I had a conversation with Piero Rivolta about this subject and he told me personally that he authorized the build. Yes Roberto Negri does have NOS Iso parts, many of them. As far a s I know they have original blueprints and documentation that was left over from the Iso factory. Bizzarrini threw a lot of his stuff away, Roberto kept a lot of it. Yes the chassis's are new, but they are fabricated to the original specifications. This has been said before.
You are talking about SB100 titles. Their are a lot of rules around this process but you can end up with a car that isn't subject to smog. The title will say something like 65 cobra but it will have a year of build/issue as well. This process doesn't create a way to wash a title.
Have you been to the shop of Negri yourself ? I dont believe one word from people who make fakes documents to import a fake car in USA. Me and my friends have been there many times in the last 20 years and HE MADE new parts, nothing NOS. When a car is new, it cannot be imported as 1965 Iso unless you are prepare to lie to the customs
Yes I would say 80 % was NOS there were some small items like Carello or Altissimo lenses but otherwise most NOS. I have been purchasing parts from him over 15 years. Why would you go there, to his shop if you didn't think the parts were NOS?
Carello lights are one thing, NOS parts to built Replica ISO A3C are a joke ! Negri built from SCATCH replica and to try to sell them for 400 000 $, he made up a story with his americans friends . You dont think that someone should be really stupid to buy a replica for 400 000 $ , buy a real Bizzarrini or a real Iso Grifo
Why would you go there, to his shop if you didn't think the parts were NOS? When Rivolta and Bizzarrini built these cars they used Rivolta parts, many of them that were used on the Rivolta GT , Negri has a shop full of Rivolta GT parts soooo.... the cars are built using Iso GT parts pretty simple. That said these cars may not be your cupof tea, but for the Iso enthusiast that doesn't have a million plus dollars these cars are very accurate representations and are built to very high standards. I applaud Negri for his fine craftsmanship and attention to detail. Image Unavailable, Please Login
You cannot import theses cars in USA as they are 2012 construction cars or you lie to the customs. Better to buy a real Iso Grifo
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Watch Madness Club ISO USA. They invent P538 with false denominations, for what purpose if is not fabricating false cars and give them some legitimacy. soon, there will be P538 Subaru, Toyota, Lancia, Alfa Romeo Activity Stream - The Varedo Group Forum: Bizzarrini P538 Bizzarrini Anniversarino -3Started by Mike, 03-07-2013 10:48 PMReplies: 0 Views: 3 Last Post: 03-07-2013 10:48 PMby Mike Forum: Bizzarrini P538 Bizzarrini Anniversarino -2Started by Mike, 03-07-2013 10:47 PMReplies: 0 Views: 1 Last Post: 03-07-2013 10:47 PMby Mike Forum: Bizzarrini P538 Bizzarrini Anniversarino -1Started by Mike, 03-07-2013 10:47 PMReplies: 0 Views: 2 Last Post: 03-07-2013 10:47 PMby Mike Forum: Bizzarrini P538 Bizzarrini P538-Tar-OXStarted by Mike, 03-07-2013 10:46 PMReplies: 0 Views: 2 Last Post: 03-07-2013 10:46 PMby Mike Forum: Bizzarrini P538 Bizzarrini P538-AMXStarted by Mike, 03-07-2013 10:45 PMReplies: 0 Views: 1 Last Post: 03-07-2013 10:45 PMby Mike Forum: Bizzarrini P538 Bizzarrini P538-HybridStarted by Mike, 03-07-2013 10:44 PMReplies: 0 Views: 1 Last Post: 03-07-2013 10:44 PMby Mike Forum: Bizzarrini P538 Bizzarrini P538-GrifoStarted by Mike, 03-07-2013 10:44 PMReplies: 0 Views: 2 Last Post: 03-07-2013 10:44 PMby Mike Forum: Bizzarrini P538 Bizzarrini P538 Pantera 7Started by Mike, 03-07-2013 10:43 PMReplies: 0 Views: 1 Last Post: 03-07-2013 10:43 PMby Mike Forum: Bizzarrini P538Bizzarrini P538 Pantera 6Started by Mike, 03-07-2013 10:42 PMReplies: 0 Views: 1 Last Post: 03-07-2013 10:42 PMby Mike Forum: Bizzarrini P538 Bizzarrini P538 Pantera 5Started by Mike, 03-07-2013 10:42 PMReplies: 0 Views: 1 Last Post: 03-07-2013 10:42 PMby Mike Forum: Bizzarrini P538 Bizzarrini P538 Pantera 4Started by Mike, 03-07-2013 10:41 PMReplies: 0 Views: 1 Last Post: 03-07-2013 10:41 PMby Mike Forum: Bizzarrini P538 Bizzarrini P538 Pantera 3Started by Mike, 03-07-2013 10:41 PMReplies: 0 Views: 1 Last Post: 03-07-2013 10:41 PMby Mike Forum: Bizzarrini P538 Bizzarrini P538 Pantera 2Started by Mike, 03-07-2013 10:40 PMReplies: 0 Views: 3 Last Post: 03-07-2013 10:40 PMby Mike Forum: Bizzarrini P538Bizzarrini P538 Pantera 1Started by Mike, 03-07-2013 10:40 PMReplies: 0 Views: 2 Last Post: 03-07-2013 10:40 PMby Mike Forum: Bizzarrini P538 Bizzarrini P538 FordStarted by Mike, 03-07-2013 10:39 PMReplies: 0 Views: 1 Last Post: 03-07-2013 10:39 PMby Mike Forum: Bizzarrini P538Bizzarrini P538 prototypeStarted by Mike, 03-07-2013 10:38 PMReplies: 0 Views: 5 Last Post: 03-07-2013 10:38 PMby Mike Forum: Bizzarrini P538P538 LavosteStarted by Mike, 03-07-2013 10:09 PMReplies: 0 Views: 10 Last Post: 03-07-2013 10:09 PMby Mike Forum: Bizzarrini P538 P538-001Started by Mike, 03-07-2013 10:09 PMReplies: 0 Views: 2 Last Post: 03-07-2013 10:09 PMby Mike Forum: Bizzarrini P538 P538-002Started by Mike, 03-07-2013 10:08 PMReplies: 0 Views: 1 Last Post: 03-07-2013 10:08 PMby Mike Forum: Bizzarrini P538 P538-003Started by Mike, 03-07-2013 10:07 PMReplies: 0 Views: 6 Last Post: 03-07-2013 10:07 PMby Mike Forum: Bizzarrini P538P538-004Started by Mike, 03-07-2013 10:07 PM
Pascal You got it backwards. It is known that there has been and will be Iso and Bizzarrini reproductions, so rather than ignoring them or hiding them in the dark the Iso Bizzarrini community prefers to identify them. These lists include cars that were made by Bizzarrini after he shut down, Diomante and others to name a few. IMO this is what most clubs should do. Even in Fchat there is a thread that promotes this idea about reproduction F cars. Image Unavailable, Please Login
