THE F70 (LaFerrari) Thread

Do you seriously think this is what many people's reactions to the FF is caused by as opposed to perhaps many think it's an esthetic failure?

How about losing 100K in value after 750 miles? Could that possibly be because many simply have no interest in owning an FF as opposed to 458's which have held up very well as compared to McLaren 12C's? Think the FF's esthetic's have anything to do with that?

 

I've driven the FF and liked the dynamics of the power train a lot. It's the exterior that fails to impress. I, as well as most people I've talked to don't care for it. You can own this Ferrari @ 25-30% off. Wonder why? Can't do that buying the new Spyder. Not a big hit now is it? I think Jim is right, it's far from a beautiful design. Just wait for the re-sale value in a year or two from now. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder as they say, except in the case of the FF.

Geno

 

Hmmm... sounds familiar. Where did we hear this before? Oh yah, 2009 Scuds. $320 to $220 in one year.

I guess they were pretty ugly too.

Still falling -- 4 K miles in 4 years (and LESS than a similar year/mileage F430 spider)

http://www.cncexotics.com/detail-2009-ferrari-f430-scuderia-used-10144201.html

There are a lot of Mac 12c's that have lost 60 to 70K in the same model year. But, I would assume the 12c is one hell of a sports car. Is it aesthetics? Maybe. But it is that much uglier than the 458 that has held or increased value in the first year? I don't think so.

What it is is supply and demand. There's just a lot less demand for a 4 seat Ferrari and a lot of great cheaper or similar priced alternatives in this category.

Could the FF look better? Probably. Everything can be improved. But is it the looks or is it just that there aren't many out there who want to buy a 4 seat used Ferrari?

I think the latter.

 

You're so hostile Jim, are you not bored of *****ing about Ferrari already? And are you really taking shots at Ferrari because the FF suffers from heavy depreciation in the first couple of years? Like, umm, let me think..every other V12 4 seat Ferrari? Same thing happened with the 612 and the same with the stunningly beautiful 456 - all the 4 seat V12 Ferrari's value drops like a rock. Your wife went for the Bentley but, at the end of the day, the FF is the overall better of the two, regardless of how it looks.

You have an agenda Jim - and everyone here knows it.

 

When Scuds first came out they didn't trade at 25-30% off. At the end of their production after tons of 430 had been sold new Scuds eventually traded under msrp. I did buy a new one from a dealer for 40K under.

FF's are hardly at the end of their production run and losing 100K in 750 miles on a 2012 FF is impressive.

 

Repeating silly things that aren't true doesn't magically make them true.

" the FF is the overall better of the two, regardless of how it looks."

Meg should have bought an FF instead of a Bentley because you think the above?

Having an opinion that vastly differs from yours is an agenda?

 

While all four seat Ferrari's lead the charge in depreciation, the FF clearly leads the four seaters and sets a new benchmark for collapsing value. This is not really debatable; just look at the data.

Sometimes Ferrari designs a beautiful car, sometimes a reasonable car, sometimes an ugly car. The market decides and resale is the clear metric.

Why are you guys clogging up this thread with these petty personal rants anyway? No one here has interest in hearing them. Go over to the FF section and declare your admiration. Buy one if you like them so much and drive it around with self satisfaction. It is off topic here.

Back to the F70 please. Looks to be a stunner and a technical marvel. Let's talk about that.

 

I wouldn't go that far. Ferrari is at times going in the wrong direction and Jim has a point. The FF is probably a bridge too far. If it were me, I would not even have them make a 4 seat Ferrari and leave that business for Maserati.

Not all Ferrari designs were well received. If you look at the Daytona vs 275 GTB, was it a step forward or backwards?

Based on prices, you would have to say backwards --- but that doesn't make the Daytona less loved today.

BTW: It took me 6 years to warm to the 612. Now, I rather like it. Don't ask me that question when I first saw it! I only wish they had made a SWB version of it. That would have been really amazing.

And now that we've moved off in the ump-teeth tangent to this thread... back to the F70!

 

No, of course not, though there is an FF thread where its esthetics may be more aptly discussed. But I do seriously think that it is behind many flippant, snarkey, and baseless statements you will find on this thread. And I think that if you give thought to it, you may conclude that there is something of this nature behind them.

There are many value-added aspects to these forums. Owners can tap the experience of other owners for solving problems or making purchases; enthusiasts doing restorations can gain an audience and advice from other enthusiasts; rare cars can be discussed and traced; unusually experienced people such as yourself can share experiences and the perspectives gained from them; talented folks can take hints and teasers and put together artistic renderings of a widely anticipated new car; and on and on. But unfortunately in this thread, such value-added posts are interlaced with too many irrelevant and ignorant opinings.

Is Ferrari perfect? Of course not. But they are very good at what they do, as are the other companies I named. This is no accident. As for the F70 or whatever it ends up being called, I eagerly await it so that I can form my own opinions and conclusions.

 

Wow is this a good post.

 

Today yes (275 vs Daytona) but at the time neither were HOT sellers. The most beautiful 275's IMO NART Spyders were slow sellers and the most Beautiful Daytona IMO Spyders sat at dealers for a while. Production Ferrari's REALLY breaking out price wise began with TR's which went for double msrp right out of the gate. 308 GTBi's at the end sold for under msrp. (I bought a new one for 5K under) and even Dino's which now are really coveted were hard to move in the day. The F40 took off and no question the F70 will trade at a premium unlike P1 or 918. Of all cars today I think some Ferrari's are the only ones that trade above msrp. Maybe there are a few others but others are rare. I also agree with you about Maserati. I do like their new 3.9 liter TT V8 a lot. I'm hoping to use one, one day.

 

thats alot closer than the 3D image

 

I like the FF IMO it's a fabulous car. I have never driven one nor will I ever own one. Having been around it in person hearing it, it blew my mind.living where the weather sucks 8 months out of the year I can see where Ferrari is trying to push the car. A Ferrari for all seasons. Great let it drop 100k more ill be waiting. And if anyone hates it so bad I will gladly take it off your hands.

This thread is turning into a teenagers brain. He has been teased by the opposite sex for 8 months and his testosterone levels are going the through the roof with anticipation. Until reaching the point of satisfaction... (the F70)

 

found these pics on website, someone says these are official pics, but the 2nd pic really confuse me, i couldn't even imagine what part of the car it is. and also the black horse were so weird as well, i dont even know theres a blacked horse badge on somewhere of the car... anyone helps?
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I still haven't understood if you've seen the car or not

 

All official teaser pics from Ferrari. They are on the official Ferrari website and facebook page.

 

There's certainly been a trend among various coachbuilders for Shooting Brake designs on modern luxury GT's, in addition to Lamborghini's SUV concept and Spyker's Peking to Paris which probably influenced Ferrari by more or less falsely reinforcing that the world wanted a hatch or an otherwise bigger Grand Tourer.

Amazing performance is expected at this level. Anything less than what this car does would be unexpected. But it's an aesthetic issue, and it's fine to call a Ferrari ugly. They knew it would be risky, and I happen to think they screwed the pooch on this and made it an ugly duck. There should have been a design study somewhere along the line to gauge a response, but.... Plain and simple: that's why the lady is a tramp.

 

Ferrari have never named a car after a driver before.... hmmm

 

Thanks, can you tell me what parts aren't right so I can make a new drawing?

Thijs

 

Jeez..all the parts are right.....cause the pictures are taken from the real deal. only if ferrari made a mistake and took picture to a mazda miata it isnt right one of that picture ....


less than two days to go...now we are not interested by any drawing........

 

For me it's evident...no

 

SSCC Andy? LOL

 

Ferrari will likely continue to move in the wrong direction whether we like it or not. They're not trying to keep purists happy, they're trying to make money and make their product appeal to a wider audience. I'm not sure if the FF could be considered a bridge too far when compared to the likes of Porsche (Panamera, Cayenne), Maserati (Q-porte, new SUV) and even Lamborghini (All models 4WD, 4 door and SUV concepts shown in recent years) have departed from their roots in favor of increasing production and maximizing profit.

The FF is a shooting brake and it is 4WD and people here have the audacity to call it an "abomination", "a box on 4 wheels"? Some people don't like the looks, fine - there are plenty of fans here that would agree with you, including myself - but if you think the FF is not a fully capable, incredibly engineered car that does exactly what it set out to do better than any other car in its class then you are deluded.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2NCbj71GME]Ferrari FF 2000 mile road trip- evo Diaries - YouTube[/ame]

 

True. It's just a shame that owner 1 has to take such a gigantic hit for the benefit of owners 2 onwards...

 

Cars generally aren't good investments. Most new cars lose a third of their value in the first 12 months. The FF is no different. If you can afford to order a new $400k Ferrari then you can afford the hit.