Yes, you're right. Stability control (aka TC, ASR, ESP, ESC, stabilitrac ...) cannot control idiocy or extreme bad luck. Sent from my ADR6350 using Tapatalk 2
Electronic controls are a huge safety advancement (and now mandated as of MY 2012), but not a substitute for skill: http://www.separationofcontrols.com/posts/why-did-i-crash/ Sent from my ADR6350 using Tapatalk 2
Why in the world would he be entering the freeway so damn slow? He was a danger before he lost control.
I don't speak the language but it seems like this may be a video the owner had their friend in a chase car taking as they were taking out a rental 458 or maybe their own new 458. Just got the sense that the 458 was intentionally slowing down to signal the chase car to pass so they could get a shot of themselves blasting past (which obviously went horribly wrong). One possible explanation for that abominable driving display.
Wow is that guy PO'd with himself! He doesn't know what to do. Lucky he did not hit that concrete post.
Thank you for your response. That could very well be and sounds reasonable, no matter how stupid it is.
In the 458, Wet or even Sport has aggressive CST settings; would have backed off the throttle and applied asymmetric braking to try and bring the yaw back. At some point, the systems can try but there is not enough grip to correct, or not enough space to prevent a hit. Of course, the systems cannot control steering or abrupt footwork that upsets the chassis. In this video, looks pure rookie mistake. Low grip, lights up the rears, makes a small but abrupt correction (left-right) into the lane....weight transfers,the fronts grip, the rears don't, and around she goes. I did not note any attempt at steering correction; would imagine his right foot stayed planted.
It doesn't look like snap oversteer, the car is going pretty slow. The oversteer in the video should be easily correctible. It looks like he just drove right into the barrier, maybe distracted? Or doesn't know how to drive? Expensive mistake.
Looks like the classic panic over-correction. The car started to light up the tires as he pulled out to pass, yawed slightly to the left, he over-corrected with a sharp jerk of the wheel to the right and spun. I can't hear it here but did he jump off the throttle too? Those traction control systems generally need some throttle input to work. Jumping off the gas just makes a bad situation worse.
I agree, but it looks to me like he feared rear-ending his friends car and so he added some braking to the equation which loaded the front and unloaded the rear, even more.
Wow that much, would cost more then the car itself! That explains the accident, he was driving under the influence. He would be more mad about losing all those powder then crashing the car. Better hurry up to blow them away before the cops shows up.
How did people survive driving before the days of electronic aids? But seriously, have the electronic nannies dulled our sense of what's going on at the contact patches or made it so that we delegate all that work to the computers?
For one thing, before the days of electronic aids, cars have much less power and much less responsive, they were much easier to handle.
A multi-line car dealer who has stores all over eastern, central and western New York used to say in his commercials that he would "take you out of a bicycle rack and put you into valet parking." I suspect that more than one new 458 owner has experienced something similar, with the 458 representing the valet parking and a slammed Honda Civic standing in for the bicycle rack. Fred
Sorry if this is a repost but if not ... Incidente Ferrari 458 ripreso in diretta su autostrada! - YouTube
With modern tires, fancy diffs, and driving aids, I think cars today are much easier to handle. Imagine driving a wet lap of the Nordschleife. Which car would be more likely to punish you for sloppy driving, 997 Turbo or 930? 458 or F40? Also, I'd guess that an average driver could get closer to the optimal lap time in today's car vs. something from the '80s say. Take the example of the 930 - the driver needs to row his own gears, modulate the non-ABS brakes to prevent lockup, deal with significant turbo lag, and actively manage weight shifting.
I agree with everything you said. What I meant was in situations where the driver are losing control and there is nothing the electronic aids can help with, like the above 458's over throttle over correction scenario. It would be a lot easier to handle in the rain in a 270 hp 328 with slow steering ratio and small brakes vs. a 570 hp 458 with ultra fast steering ratio and huge brakes. 458 vs. F40 is not fair, should compare LaFerrari vs. F40
