I completely understand the Stradale's slow F1 transmission and even calling a Stradale "slow". (Drive a 612 around the block and get back in a Stradale and wonder if you're running on only 4 cylinders) But I don't get the Stradale weak engine or unreliability. Last I heard, just as many Challenge drivers blew up 360 engines as 430 ones.
CS collectible You don't see a bunch of people unloading and complaining about prices on CS CS appreciating asset Scud depreciating asset How many less CS's did they build then F40's?
I think Rad meant that the CS feels "slow-er" which is objectively accurate. As far as appreciation / depreciation goes, in my own opinion if that is the sole purpose of Ferrari ownership then it's a darn shame. But I definitely understand there are two kinds of Ferrari owners: Drivers & Collectors. And that aspect probably matters most to the collectors, who from time to time may make an appearance at some event. I won't deny it bugs me when I hear my car depreciated, but it doesn't change how I feel when I'm behind the wheel. Neither is more right or wrong than the other, just different strokes for different folks. Hopefully, other folks are open to accepting that instead of trying to force one view over the other. With that said, to be brutally honest, either car is probably too much car for me. I enjoyed my CS ownership while I had it, and now enjoy my Scuderia ownership even more...it has the right formula for me, and definitely ticks off more of the right boxes than the CS ever could. For the few months I had both in parallel, I went for the Scuderia keys 9 out of 10 times. I cannot say the same for the Italia, but well, that's a whole other debate with a whole other wave of wrath to incur...
Exactly what he said, nothing more needs to be said. Regardless the difference in price its clear the scud is the best value car going by Ferrari, I say anyone waiting on the sidelines get in while the giving is good. Using a 360cs as an example the scud could be going up in price, either way I don't see this far drop in price as others have stated. Sure the odd car shows up with the seller looking to dump it quick and needs cash asap, but that hardly suggests legit scuds are trading for 160k.
I politely disagree, neither the scud or 360cs are terribly rare, 1200 plus units for 360cs, and 1800 plus units for scud, puts neither in the boat of major exclulsive and rare. In regards to a lot of fchatters picking 360cs over scud after owning both, I think that is making false assumptions and I will again politely disagree, I personaly know of a fellow fchatter who has a scud and bought into the hype of the 360cs and bought one only to sell it, after being disappointed by lack of power and horribly slow and dated f1 gearbox in the 360cs. Finally to address the comment about scud lacks the rawness compared to the 360cs, come on man they are very comparable when it comes to rawness. I can't see anyone driving both and walking away say the 360cs is way more raw than a scud, they are both very similar in that department.
The fchatters who prefer the CS have spoken quite loudly. I don't recall seeing any comments saying the Scud was a bad car, just that it didn't find a bond with the owners. Slow? Maybe slower than a new car, but certainly this description is not accurate. Which of the cars do you have the most experience driving?
100% it will be more then 458 and f12, 458 sooner then you think - f12 10 years. F1 is next 250 GTO / super collectible.
A 360 Challenge Stradale takes 10 seconds to reach 100mph (161 km/h). My 2008 BMW M3 (a pig heavy Sedan with 2-doors as some media outlets call it) reaches the same 100mph in 10 seconds. Even a Lexus entry level Sedan reaches 100mph in 10 secs. The 360CS was fairly fast 10 years ago (similar speed and acceleration to the 2004 GT3 and 2004 Corvette Z06). Today, the GT3 runs at 500Hp instead of 380Hp as in 2004, the Corvette runs at 638Hp instead of 405Hp back in 2004, and today there are more fast cars than back in 2004, including Mustangs, Camaros that put a 360CS to shame on a drag strip or a road course. The 360 Challenge Stradale is slow. If you own a 360CS and live in the South Florida area, let's get my Scuderia and a Stradale to Palm Beach International Raceway, and run a 1/4 mile drag race + race track lap + GoKart track lap (simulates twisty street roads and autoX). I have plug and play timing equipment, and each driver gets to drive both cars. I have access to the video crew, and can invite an online magazine or even the Forza staff to do the writing. Fun full day, and revealing as well.
Ha. Rad. I have asked before, I ask again. You bring your autocrossing scud to Central US & I will happily show you a lap in my Stradale that will allow you to see the light. We can even put equal tires on each one & go wheel to wheel. I have access to my Country Club racetrack everyday of the season. I will see you there right? If not then make your way to the 50th anniversary of FCA at Road America 2013 & perhaps we can do the same. I am signed up for the track time. That would be your best bet as RA is just three drag strips connected by corners. Advantage scud? However I do hold a SCCA lap record there... Either case it will be all about the driver. I cant wait... XXOO
Mike assuming equal drivers on both cars are you suggesting that the cs will be faster than scud ? I am confused , whats there to debate about the fact that a scud is faster than cs?
Nurburgring lap times: The 458 & 430 Scuderia both do it in 7:38, the CS does it in 7:59 Not sure why folks are still so adamant about debating this fact. The CS is slow-er.
This thread went from value to top speed. The two have nothing in common. A scud is faster, sure, but the debate is whether a CS will be worth more, based on low the production #s, imo i would say yes definetly. Down the road a CS will be worth much more based on low supply and high demand. Most Ferrari enthusiasts i know love the CS. and the Scud also an amazing car, but they made too many IMO
I do think that if I drove the scud it would be faster than ME in a Stradale. Yes. But me in my Stradale against most any other driver in a scud comes out in my favor. That goes for my Spec Miata at my home track as well for that matter. Both the CS & the Miata have been called slow... But its just not accurate. Its a silly statement that the Stradale is slow, The damn thing runs 0-60 in just over 4 seconds. It does 180 MPH. Its heralded as a supercar. Forgive me but to come across so crass about it is simply mind-numbing.
Yeah, the debate here now has switched to...is the CS "slow" or "slower than a Scud". I'll take "slower than a Scud" for $100 Jack. No question the scud is faster. In a straight line, through curves, whatever. So are lots of cars. (In fact, many modern cars are faster than loads of cool cars from the 50s, 60s, 70s...doesn't mean I wouldn't rather own a number of them...speed is seldom the primary reason for buying a street car) This whole CS vs. Scud debate is getting tiring (to me anyways). They are both awesome street Ferrari's that deliver a very fun back road or track day experience. The relative strengths of the two cars have been pointed out, and re-hashed many times herein...I'm just thrilled to be fortunate to own one of them. Anyone that appreciates either of them (or both like most of us) is alright in my book!
+ 2 Gents, this is somewhat like debating the relative beauty of the most stunning ladies you've ever met..... Don't most of us just really desire both?? As a CS owner I am happy to say that one of the most awesome cars I've ever seen and heard was a white Scud with full exhaust being driven the way it should... I am equally happy that my CS seems to be appreciating well, and I hope the same thing happens for scud owners shortly, although I do think they'll likely depreciate a bit in the near term Enjoy your beauties in good health
No it's different. You can get away with desiring and having two cars. Usually can't get away with desiring and having two women!
