SCG 003 and SCG 003C (formerly known as "P 33")

the advantage of an ultra light weight car, is that more robust and exotic mechanicals don't become necessary, that even production units are more than sufficient in strength & durability, the reduced weight = reduced stresses, and it also saves in cost then too

that being said, i really like the DSG gearbox, the GTi i drove with it made a great impression, wonderful for driving quickly & even around town, i can only imagine it paired with a car 1/2 the weight and twice the power!

 

might i ask; is the P33 at just concept stage, or have you guys begun designing it already?

 

true, that's exactly what i meant, and it also gives you the opportunity to choose the drivetrain made on 'feel' over say the p45c where outright performance & durability have priority

i mean is that any engine can be built for power really, proper internals for strength, etc, but as (speaking for my own thoughts if building such a car) the feeling or ease of operating the car at speed (or any really) would be IMO key, so where the transmission choice would really make a more significant difference than the particular engine IMHO

 

I'm surprised it took 48 hours

 

One of the most important distinguishing factors of a great one-off for me, and Jim I think/hope you'll agree, is that its exterior design be as original as possible, meaning the least amount of "borrowed" bits from other cars. Particularly ones that are instantly recognizable.

Now, from what I've understood reading some of your other posts, headlights are probably the most difficult and expensive item to homologate/legalize on a car today, which is why they are usually the most "borrowed" item of one-off sports cars. I'm glad the headlights on P4/5 are original as I think they are one of the car's most beautiful design elements. My question is: are you hoping to have fully original headlights on P33, or will you be "borrowing" for the sake of simplification? I think I know the answer already (it doesn't involve borrowing) but I thought I'd ask anyway...

 

It is an interesting name.

My guess is that the "P 33" name is for the three-wing design and the fact that it is your third prototype/project car (P 4/5 and P 4/5 C were the first two design projects), true?

I love the idea of going for a smaller & lighter car design.
Modern sports cars have gotten so big & heavy these days.

A friend of mine has a 1974 Dino 246 GTS and it is amazing how small that car is when it is parked next to a modern Ferrari like the 458, 599, or California.

God speed to you, Mr. G.
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i ask for those of us interested in the design process, starting from the old "it all began with a sketch on the back of a napkin"
if there are early sketches and such to share, please do, we'd enjoy those for certain!
thanks

 

Seconded.

 

+1

 

Definitely. Seeing the proverbial napkin would be very cool.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

That would surely be a great design feature for the P 33. I just loved how the cameras the original Porsche 918 concept had instead of side mirrors made the whole car look more dramatic.

Looking forward to follow this thread. I've been a FChat reader for a few months now, having read the whole Ferrari P 4/5 by Pininfarina thread in just a few days. Quite magical stuff!

 

Thanks Jim, looking forward to it.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

Happy to hear that! I agree the SP's using borrowed headlights makes little sense, although I'm happy the cars end up being made in what remains of the old coachbuilding tradition. Sometimes they actually look pretty good, like the Touring Disco Volante which uses 599 headlights...

 

beyond cost, as a manufacturer they also have the regulatory needs to meet, and perhaps more critical are liability considerations (which Jim doesn't have in a private one-off car) , so for these specific components i can see the reasons certainly beyond just the cost of making/designing them ...however i do completely agree with the much better aesthetic of being all bespoke!

 

Notice the subtle difference between the headlights on the concept version (original design) vs. production version (from the 599)...

A beautiful car, either way. On the 4C it seems they had similar issues with headlights, but I think that has more to do with cost.

Jim, if you decided to sell a limited run, would the homologation issues come into play? Since the New Stratos seems to have original headlights, too, I assume Mr. Stoschek's intention to put it into limited production means he has either considered the cost of homologation into a final proposed price, or perhaps he will produce a small enough number that it doesn't matter - although I cannot see how that would happen.

Thank you for sharing all this info.
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