In the US the scud was 2 years before the 458. When are you expecting a 458 replacement? Sooner than 2016? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
^^^ Biggest joke ever. Production #s have historically risen even in times in recession in the past, there's no logical reason why they would cut down the #s now especially with so much more demand across most, if not all, markets.
Ferrari doesn't release exact numbers my understanding it was under 1400 Scud coupes and 499 Scud 16M's.Based on everyone's speculation I will give you my crystal ball guess. I think the price will be north of 380k for the coupe and add 50k for the Spider which I think it will have a CF top.I believe they will make a lower amount of Scuderia's due to the fact alot of people including myself were pissed at the dive they took and for many people that was the last Ferrari people bought and bailed.It's also important to remember it's the last run of the 458 which is the real thought of gambling to get one
Jeff I like my wheels!!!,Themayors wheels were on the White 458 that you drove that day.PS my friend that owns the white one bought a Ghost today
Wait, wasn't the 430 Scuderia the last run of the 430? There's a whole massive thread in the 360/430 section about production #s which I think is best for all our sanity not to mish-mash here in this thread, but the one solid take-away from there is that Ferrari has been consistently upping production numbers every cycle, so not sure why the 458 would be any different.
I know why you like your wheels, it looks like the Novitec NF3 to match the rest of your Novitec parts, which is cool Now you need to buy a Wraith to match his Ghost!
Yes the 430 Scuderia is the last run on the 430.It was as hard as it is now to buy the Spider when they first released the 430 Scuderia in 08 it was impossible to get on the list they were getting 100k over sticker many were told it would be a limited production and Ferrari went in to 09 with the Scude coupe then released the 16M then kaboom.I bailed to the 458 coupe the art of these cars is to get in the released car then move to the next list
Well I think 2015 model year which would mean the 458 having 5 model years prior to replacement.But again this is IMHO based on past model runs
Biggest joke ever ? quite rude of you - If you don't agree simply say so. But you Do Not need to clown me like that
Gotcha. So, best strategy to avoiding losing my shirt would be to hop into the 458 MC Coupe, then asap onto the list for the MC Spyder then wait it out for a year or so then hop back into a used coupe
If the car costs high $300K's then look out for steep depreciation, unless build #'s approach LaFerrari scarcity - no way the car can hold that value otherwise, that would make it $100K plus over MSRP (with options) of the average 458. Last time they tried that, owners got killed ($$$), Scud style! Instead I predict a base MSRP around $300K, plus any options (which will be costly). Remember that the 458 replacement will then follow, likely in hybrid form, and that car may be even faster than the 458 lightweight variant - and cost less. That will be the critical factor for any lightweight derivative in terms of value retention, the next car is always as fast or faster. So be careful how much you spend, unless a $100K or so means very little to you.
Yes scarcity does help resale That's why I think they will have reduce numbers vs Scud The whole idea of Ferrari special editions is to bolster resale value of the brand overall
It's a slippery slope to try and forecast future values. The Challenge Stradale is actually going over original sticker for a clean one. Ive heard there is roughly 350 that came to US. The Scud number is for some reason a hard one to get an accurate number on but my Ferrari guy estimated 550 in the US. Values have dropped 80-100K. The 599 GTO is a run of 599 which ~130 came to the states. They are holding pretty well at a 0-50K drop depending on color etc... The proof that a low number production doesnt always hold up is the "Alonso" edition. They cant give them away. I believe the light weight will be a total higher production number world wide because of emerging markets but a lower TOTAL number to US. My motivation for the light weight is the more raw track inspired form factor. Since the replacement of the 458 will be an evolutionary car, I plan on keeping my light weight for a long time. We may see the top of the performance curve in the not too distant future. After that it will be the challenge of matching those peak numbers with less fuel. Her is to the journey.... I love this part! Cheers, Rb Modern cars are not investments but toys and hopefully the cost of the toy to own per year is not crazy expensive.
Yes the raw track inspired form factor is what's most exciting about the car - Good luck on your future purchase
Modern cars are not investments but toys and hopefully the cost of the toy to own per year is not crazy expensive.[/QUOTE] +1 Smartest thing said on the whole tread
The only cars that can be considered "investments" are the supercars: GTO, F40, F50, Enzo, and now LaFerrari. Everything else is a depreciating asset. Buy them just for fun.
Yes they all depreciate, those with higher initial MSRP's the most, typically. BTW, I bought a new CS and kept it five years, it lost some value as well because I DROVE it. At $200K new, I have not seen used CS's at near that initial price in recent times, so those who claim they have please show us where.... It is always amusing to see guys comparing depreciation of various newer F cars as well as other brands...what many forget to mention is that none will retain most of their value IF THEY ARE ACTUALLY DRIVEN - and what is the point of having one if you don't? IMO the best part of owning any modern Ferrari is driving it - certainly not just having/looking at it. Best.
This should be a proto of the Scuderia/Monte Carlo/Challen Stradale: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3Gcd_d_zWA&feature=player_embedded]Ferrari 458 Montecarlo Prototype On Road - First Time - YouTube[/ame] Can anyone confirm, Gr. Xander
No obvious clues, but I would guess it's ons of the prototypes. Some more pics: Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Gr. Martin
The tire to fender gap seems pretty tight on the front wheels Got a feeling that they will do 2 large exhaust pipes in lieu of 3
