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  1. triple-x

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    #16201 triple-x, Mar 21, 2013
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    Here's my (small progress) on the gauge pod.

    All due respect to Tony. He claims that most crack like mine did.

    I beg to differ. That fiberglass on the pod is very tough.

    I can almost assure you my friend beat the sheit out of it when something happened to the car.

    I'm willing to bet the car broke down he beat the sheit out of the gauge pod and parked the car for 16 years without turning over the key not even one time.

    He claims that he had a big escort radar detector on there. Yeah OK an escort is not going to do that kind of damage. SORRY! Why do people have to lie.

    Take a look at the pictures.

    I'll be starting my own thread once I get a little further.

    Please welcome to chime in with your thoughts.
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  2. CK7684

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    #16202 CK7684, Mar 21, 2013
    Perhaps the radar detector didn't work and he hit it while it was on the dash!
     
  3. joe sackey

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    #16203 joe sackey, Mar 21, 2013
    Patrick, this particular LP500S has been for sale for at east four (4) years.
     
  4. joe sackey

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    #16204 joe sackey, Mar 21, 2013
    Leo, it was sold to Japan where it has lived for over 20 years with an enthusiast. Recently it has been refurbished.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko2Av9SNs48
     
  5. triple-x

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    #16205 triple-x, Mar 21, 2013
    seems like all the cool ones are leaving the US.

    Joe have you seen a dash pod do what mine has?

    Tony in Naples told me on the phone last week he's seen at least 5 did what mine did, but never looked at my pix.

    I put quite a bit of pressure almost full body weight then I put 80 pounds worth of iron on it and nothing happened to the left side.

    I showed my pictures to a fiberglass guy he says there's no doubt he beat the crap out of it.

    There's a lot of things that the previous owner did that make no sense.

    He barely had the money to buy it he had even less $ to maintain it properly.

    He's cheap with his own self. You can only imagine how cheap he did things on this car.

    Every time I turn around there's something new. I don't mind working on the cars I own.

    I actually enjoy the hobby. But man I wish that man didn't lie to me the way he did.

    Every time I ask a question he tells me I rather not talk about it. Then tells me to change the subject it's too painful that I have his pride and joy.

    If this was his pride and joy he wouldnt just park it in his garage and throw away the key for 16+ years sorta speak.
     
  6. islandguy

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    #16206 islandguy, Mar 22, 2013
    After seeing your pics Leo I had to go into the garage and check mine. There is no way I could get enough swing between the glass and the dash to do that.

    All I can figure is if it was mechanically made maybe it was by the boots of girl while she was twisting around trying to get into position. Any scuff marks on the headliner? :D
     
  7. triple-x

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    #16207 triple-x, Mar 22, 2013
    lmao @ Larry.

    If you saw her then it DID happen.

    Shush don't tell anyone.
     
  8. Countachqv

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    #16208 Countachqv, Mar 22, 2013
    dont know. price on request. may be someone ask from here? (you may to speak some German..)
     
  9. Peter K.

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    #16209 Peter K., Mar 22, 2013
    Thank God you finally put up an avatar Patrick :)
     
  10. Countachqv

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    #16210 Countachqv, Mar 22, 2013
    yeah, i know. little things in life.. no avatars on Fchat could be like walking in a social party with no pants on...
     
  11. joe sackey

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    #16211 joe sackey, Mar 22, 2013
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    Patrick,

    The question should be: why hasn't this Countach sold after being variously for sale for so many years? Clearly, price is immaterial, because, whatever price it is, Joe Public ain't buying.

    Look at the 2 pics from Anamera below. In the first pic (mixed in with the current Ad) you can clearly see it is wearing P7s. In the second pic which emerged a couple of years later, you can see it is now wearing P Zeros.

    In more recent times, a growing part of my business is a consultancy, and I get contacts on many Countachs advertised for sale (& some that are not) asking what are my thoughts on such-and-such a car? What should I look for? What questions should I ask the seller? What do you think personally?

    All of these questions are important, because the youngest Countach is @ 23 years old and the oldest is almost 40 years old, so, however you look at it these are classic cars that are getting long in the tooth and here are many components that have issues in even the best preserved ones. The difference between a good car and a bad one is horribly expensive.

    Here are some of the questions I usually suggest USA buyers in the market for a Countach should ask:

    - What maintenance records does the car have, do they cover who performed all the maintenance services & when?
    - What issues does this particular car have besides regular maintenance, were they resolved, if so how?
    - Is the car USA legal with affixed tags & documentation confirming same?
    - What inspection report is available? I like to see a full image album showing all aspects of the car, a cosmetic report showing condition of paint & interior materials, any modifications noted, a report showing condition of all electricals, fuel system (carburetors or fuel injection), all mechanicals including engine leak-down & compression, a report on the tires including date code, any components missing noted, any leaks noted, smoking upon cold start or operating temperature noted, and last but not least, a road test report including acceleration, braking, going through all the gears testing synchros, clutch operation etc.

    The above is a good starting point for discussion.

    Often, the feedback I get is: when a prospective buyer pursues the above, the response from the seller is rather less than enthusiastic, records are lacking, some items are missing, some modifications exist, and very significant deferred maintenance is the order of the day for most Countachs extant.

    Perhaps we can see why many Countachs are a hard sell?
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  12. Countachqv

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    #16212 Countachqv, Mar 22, 2013
    I was not aware that car may have been on the market for a long time. At least more than a year but again I am not always checking.
    Yes, i noticed the picts feel they were taken at 2 different periods. but on the earlier picts was the car for sale already? and as for the tires, could they have been changed to comply for safety?
    but as you indicate, serious buying certainly starts with the list of questions you outline. That is the ultimate check. From the web, you can only see what one wants to show you.

    Has anyone from the list seen that car? Our friends in Germany and Switzerland are not all stranger to her.
     
  13. joe sackey

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    #16213 joe sackey, Mar 22, 2013
    Patrick, don't get me wrong, it "looks" like a very nice car. But I'm willing to bet that the deferred maintenance list is very significant.

    Yes, the first pic was when the car originally appeared for sale some 4 years ago. It remained for sale it seems for another couple of years, then it reappeared with a new set of images mixed in. My comment about the tires was purely to highlight the images from different periods. At a certain magical number it would be a great buy, and my thinking whenever a Lamborghini is for sale forever is that's not the magical number.
     
  14. jollygood

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    #16214 jollygood, Mar 22, 2013


    I believe they want EUR 190K for it.
     
  15. Taurean Bull

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    #16215 Taurean Bull, Mar 22, 2013
    Is that one of the interim trucks with FI and no LMA rims / body mods?
     
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    #16216 Taurean Bull, Mar 22, 2013
    LOL, same here, our kids get it all. Changing our family tree, we are....

    When my parents go I get 3 houses full of pack-ratted sheet...

    Our SM is brand new, how old is your moms?

    pm if you want.
     
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    #16217 roytoy2003, Mar 22, 2013
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    #16218 Robert W, Mar 22, 2013
    Interesting UK number plate - I was told this is Roger Earl: it was certainly on a 288GTO and a 512TR and now it seems for some time on this Countach and currently on a Porsche in the UK.

    Why did Roger Earl in the UK own a LHD Countach in Europe? And which 5000S is this black car?
     
  19. joe sackey

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    #16220 joe sackey, Mar 22, 2013
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    Wish I had all the answers. The car is said to originally be delivered in Kuwait.

    Speaking of black Countachs, did this RHD 88.5 car UK-registered F 919 OYR used to be red?
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  21. Anthony bentley

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    #16221 Anthony bentley, Mar 22, 2013
    My car!!! Always nice to see it out and not in garage with cover over it!
     
  22. joe sackey

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    #16222 joe sackey, Mar 22, 2013
    I remember your car from when it was brand new! Had the sport exhaust option from day one and sounded great!
     
  23. gurslo

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    #16223 gurslo, Mar 22, 2013
    Sorry to see your dash had the Chris Brown treatment. Put the lies behind you and look forward as your taking the time to make right. Thats whats important now.
    I can't wait to see your write up on your dash restoration. I think its a pita just cleaning the thing, getting up in the nooks by the wind screen, never mind trying to remove it.

     
  24. triple-x

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    #16224 triple-x, Mar 22, 2013
    I could have lived with but you know with car shows and everything.

    People love getting into someone's business then go on forums and type what's wrong with the car rather than talk about the rarity of seeing a carb'd one.

    One of the organizers had a chance to go up down and all around my car today and chose my car as one of only 4 for the opening gala with Valentino.

    They can't wait til I get the dash back in and detail it.

    They liked the originality of the car right down to the small area of bubbling in the middle the wing.

    My question to Joe.... I know your a perfectionist when it comes to these cars.

    However you're only original once. Would you paint the wing to make it look show quality or would you show off the car with it's minor flaws the way the car should be after 29 years.

    My mind says paint it that way people don't talk sheit at the show. The organizers asked me to ask someone like you what should I do.

    If you say leave it than I'll leave it if you say paint it that it's going to be repainted and a couple minor areas are also going to be addressed as the same time.

    Everyone tells me it would be a shame to plan a full paint job as I'm planning for this summer.

    Some people here really suck you into this "perfection" thing. I personally like some patina.

    Everyone is welcome to chime in even Kitty Cat.

    Remember guys this is not a Quail type car and in all honesty I don't want it to ever be.

    It's a good car that I intend to care for & enjoy, then hand it over to my son when he's ready for it.
     
  25. joe sackey

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    #16225 joe sackey, Mar 22, 2013
    That. If the car is mostly original, leave it as it is.
     
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