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New 458 Scuderia is coming

Discussion in '458 Italia/488/F8' started by Savageulm, Mar 13, 2013.

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  1. Noblesse Oblige

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    My reaction is that there seems little here to differentiate it visually. Of course this may be only a mule. Also why is this particular vehicle identified as a prototype "Scuderia?"
     
  2. TheMayor

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    My guess is this is a mechanical prototype only for components, not body parts. I would bet you'll see some in camo pretty soon.
     
  3. KINGMONKEY

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    That is not the new Scuderia Please stop the tail chasing!!!
     
  4. KINGMONKEY

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    If you believe that half of the people here are idiots.(1) They are not going to Temp tag the car (2) They are not going out the main gate with it,Please!!!
     
  5. Noblesse Oblige

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    +1. But we are only at the beginning of the run up to the announcement. Get ready for all kinds of crazy stuff.
     
  6. 250 lusso

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    It does look like there are 2 exhaust pipes sticking out in that space between the body work and the diffuser. In about the same place as where the Scud has them.
     
  7. Noblesse Oblige

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    There are three, with the center one blacker (see 0:23 of the vid). We don't know if the tips are all functional.
     
  8. Afonsolaw

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    Oh wait I think I saw an electric motor!!! Nope that was just my imagination :) sorry
     
  9. F2003-GA

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    #134 F2003-GA, Mar 26, 2013
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    First of all No one knows for sure But look at the 2 pics and 3 items indicate it might be
    1) Center tail pipe is recessed and looks non functional
    2) The wheels do Not match anything offered on the standard 458
    3) There are additional holes cut out above the diffuser

    There's no way it's a Ferrari destined to be delivered to a retail customer
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  10. 4RE Bob

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    Also, the rear windows, where the combustion air enters, are blacked out. I think that the revised exhaust, wheels, lowered ride height, etc suggests a test mule.
     
  11. Finlander

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    whats on the fuel lid in first 2 pics?
     
  12. freshmeat

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    I'm sure there will be other aesthetic distinctions but for now I believe that the above is the mechanical prototype.

    Note the dual exhaust pipe (faux center) ala Ferrari Challenge car

    Note the plexi-glass hatch vs the regular glass (you can see 4 anchor points on the hatch corners suggesting support beams ala Scuderia)

    Note the exhaust note, sounds raspier & less restricted

    Note the front catfish whiskers, extends fully across the mouth opening, hinting at a possible fixed alternative to feed air for the 458 MC

    Probably will come standard with the carbon rear challenge grille

    Consistent themes / patterns from 430 to Scuderia.
     
  13. KINGMONKEY

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    1) That's the same exhaust with a blacked out center
    2) the wheels are different
    3) the rear mesh is missing and the light covers
    4) when that 458 drove back into the factory it sounded just the same as the last 2 I had

    The Scuderia has already been made they don't drive prototypes around outside of the factory period
     
  14. freshmeat

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    Not out of the ordinary to do continued testing...
     
  15. omd78

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    I suspect it is, looking at the wheels, rear bumper and the fact the car is not covered up in the white protective plastic as most production cars which are being test driven in Maranello are.

    I agree: the design must have been finalised by now. Just six or so months until we see it. They will drive prototypes around outside the factory, but try to let them look like an 'ordinary' 458 or at least cover the specific design marks of the new car.

    Gr. Martin
     
  16. Rcktrod

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    That was my thought looking at the video. It looks like a 458 coupe with very little changes. Most likely just testing performance of the scud version.
     
  17. F2003-GA

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    How are you so sure they don't drive prototypes outside of the factory ?
    There has been numerous sightings of various camo Ferrari's over the years
    If it's Not a Scud then it's dam sure is not a production car either
     
  18. 250 lusso

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    #143 250 lusso, Mar 27, 2013
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    No, look at either side of that area that the 3 standard tips are located. It looks like the body work has been cut away there (semi-circular shape) and there might be short exhausts sticking out to either side of it. The body work has been blacked out in the area of the standard exhaust configuration to help hide that body work change.

    ETA: Note that the 3 standard "exhaust tips" are just trim pieces, not the actual exhaust pipes. They're part of the body work.
     
  19. 250 lusso

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    That explains where all those pics of the LaFerrari Mule, next gen California mule, FF mule, 599 GTO mules, 458 Mule, 430 Scuderia Mule, Enzo mule, F50 mule, etc etc driving around on public roads came from....

    This is clearly a mule/prototype for a modified 458. It is testing 'under the skin' changes with mostly standard body work. The finished product will no doubt have evolutionary changes to the body a la CS/Scud/599GTO. Those wheels appear to be Ferrari's new standard "Mule" wheel. A similar, if not identical spoke pattern was used on the LF mule.
     
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    #145 KINGMONKEY, Mar 27, 2013
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    Show me a picture of a uncovered prototype pre-release Ferrari outside the factory if that is a mule it would be blacked out including the rear motor glass.Ferrari shows you what they want you to see and that there is a 458 with different rims on it,nothing more. Ferrari has the Scuderia meanwhile everyone is chasing their tail on some video,Oh here is one outside the factory look at the rims,please!!!
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  21. 250 lusso

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    Here's one:

    Ferrari California, podría contar con una versión turbo
    http://gmotors.co.uk/news/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/2014-Ferrari-California-prototype-side.jpg

    Another:

    http://www.autofans.be/sites/default/files/media/archief/nieuws/1341/ferrarimule3.jpg
    http://www.autofans.be/sites/default/files/media/archief/nieuws/1341/ferrarimule2.jpg

    Another:

    http://www.topcars.bg/uploads/tinymce/Bash%20Nova/0004-ferrari-f450-test-mule-5.jpg
    http://www.clutchd.com/wp-content/gallery/17_march_2009-ferrari-f430-test-mule/ferrari-f450-prototype-spy-photo_6.jpg

    Another:

    http://www.motorauthority.com/content/thumbs/f/e/ferrari_599_prototype_spy_shots_april_main630-0423-630x360.jpg

    Sorry about the lack of proper embedded photos. Don't have the time at the moment. But the links above make it clear Ferrari tests parts or entire new models under the guise of existing models' body work. In the case of the 458 MC or whatever they call it, it would be especially easy to do because the body work changes will just be front, lower side, and rear fascia changes in all likelihood, as with the 360 and 430 precursors. The actual changes to the car (suspension, exhaust, engine updates, etc) can be tested with the existing bodywork.

    You do realize they have to test every new model, or sub-model, on real roads? They don't develop a new road car in a lab, or on Fiorano alone. They get out and drive it in the real world in disguise.

    If that's not a 458 MC mule, what is it? It's not a customer car.
     
  22. omd78

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    The above post all show how curious everone is about the new 'Scud'.

    I'm not posting here to have an argument, but I'm dying to see clues what the new car will look like!

    Gr. Martin
     
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    #148 KINGMONKEY, Mar 27, 2013
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    I don't think you understand outside the factory in the town of Maranello I understand they test vehicles elsewhere but not uncovered prototypes in town PS your busy showing pictures show me a 458 Scuderia
     
  24. TheMayor

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    If I were to guess, I think they will pull some cues from the F12 and the F70. It might come with side arm dams and I also suspect the movable air vents to cool the brakes.
     
  25. 250 lusso

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    I don't have to show it to you. Look at the previously-posted modified 458 pics. The pictures of the red car are, in all probability, a 458 "scuderia" mule. The "cover" in this case is the mostly standard (with the exception of the hasty testing-related changes at the rear) 458 body work. Do you believe that's a standard 458 being tested before delivery to a customer?
     

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