Webber leaving?

It doesn't matter what codes they use, they get ignored anyway .

 

TBH, I didn't really think you were naive!

 

No! - it wasn't ignored! - as Vettel said:

"I just didn’t get the message. I got it. I heard it. But obviously no action followed because I misunderstood!"

It's okay though because Seb is sorry!

 

Weber has every right in the world to be pizzed at the team and not just Seb.
The calls for him to hold station before the pass were tepid and half hearted to say the least. Once he was past there were no calls for him to cede the position.
Mark knows damn well that Seb is the Golden Boy and he's always going to be treated like ****e. He knows that the teams cares so little that they won't give Seb anything stronger than a good tsk tsk and then just for PR.

Given half a chance he should jump ship ASAP and not wait until the end of the season.

The shame is that RB will have no trouble filling the second seat when he does go.

 

A Perez/Webber swap could solve things. McLaren get a better driver. Webber gets equal treatment in a top team (ok, maybe not top this year...). Red Bull avoid civil war and can focus on the championship. Win-win-win?

 

The exact opposite: Webber staying with RB

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A lot of people do; and alot more now. People like me who love an underdog, who is a straight-shooter; not a talented child.
Alot less people give a f**% about Vettel than they used to....

 

Webber was winning the Malaysian GP on his own merit and was told to turn the engine down and cruise to bring it home.

 

Maybe if you ran the team his feelings wouldn't matter . Unless they hire you sometime soon though it will matter. Besides, the Red Bull is good enough for even Perez to snatch away points.

 

Perhaps, though this was his father speaking and not Mark.

 

No doubt Vettel is more talented. Unless you know something we don't, Mark's poor start at The Australian GP start was due to the ECU according to all reports.

 

Best thing Webber can do right now is, keep his head down and drive like a demon possessed and enjoy it.

 

Let's face it - the only reason everyone is angry at Vettel is because they feel sorry for Webber. And they feel sorry for Webber because the guy tries real hard, and no matter what he does, his younger and more talented teammate walks all over him without even seemingly trying. I'm sure we can all relate to that in some way in our own lives, so we all feel sorry for Webber.

But Andreas is right - having Vettel in front was the right move. Why didn't RBR order that? The only reason would be either because Webber would refuse, or that Webber would do what he's done for the past 2-3 years... whine about it and how he's not given a fair shake, blah, blah. The fact that they are walking on eggshells for Webber proves Vettel isn't the #1. If he was, they'd have told Mark to GTFO of the way and let the better man through.

As for Webber leaving, surely this must be his last year anyway. They need someone faster and better in the #2 seat, not Webber. This event will actually play out well for Webber. When he's sent packing at the end of the year, he can pull a Rubens and claim it was his decision because he was tired of being the #2... some people might even believe it was that, and not the fact that he underperformed and had absolutely nothing for his better - Vettel.

 

I think ignoring the team is the bigger issue (although why nobody seemed to mind when Webber did it I'll never understand). Right or wrong, the team's decisions need to be followed by the drivers. The best thing Seb could have done is stayed in 2nd and then raised hell privately so it never happens again. Now he has to deal with the press hounding him for the rest of the season. Talk about a major distraction...

 

Probably another bearing/feeling on the matter is, folks don't want to see another runaway success by Vettel.

So if the other teams cannot give Vettel a race, his team mate will do, and don't like it because he is not allowed to.

 

True but I don't think that will happen this season. Assuming Fred can keep his front wing attached for more than 1 lap

 

I have no problem with team orders and its in RB's interest for Seb to get max points since he's more likely to be in the championship hunt.
If they had ordered Webber to let Seb pass it would have been fine with me. It's the mealy mouthed way they handled it. Not just mealy mouthed but foolish. They created unnecessary animus.

 

That's what I don't get. Have RB told Webber there's no number 1? Their actions certainly favour Vettel anyway, and who can blame them? SO.....why make the team order that favoured Webber in the first place? That would never have happened with MS and RB or Massa.

OTOH...it's not unusual for teams to say race to the last pit stop, then the fight is over from there. Especially in these days of "endurance racing".

I don't know if you're right that people feel sorry for Webber. They just don't appreciate bad sportsmanship and entitlement.

Webber did genuinely beat Vettel this day if the race was only until the last pit stop.....who knows what would have happened if he hadn't backed off. Would they have both finished if Webber had kept the foot into it chasing Vettel after he went past? So many questions, so few answers.