I wouldn't be surprise if the team got a call telling them that this mess was bad for business. Oh, I mean bad for the sport.
I guess you're referring to David Coulthard or Webber and some comparison between to two. So DC's mom says it's going to be Webber's year. Good comeback Tifosi12. My point was Mark seemed pissed and this was his father speaking for him. No one thinks Mark is going to win the championship and that's not what ANY off these threads are about. They are about specifically the incident at MALAYSIA. Not the point of the thread. This is not an analysis of his career. It is a question of how the incidents at MALAYSIA will affect Mark and the team. Oh, yeah, Obviously. I'm not too concerned about Webber or where the guy does or doesn't drive. I am interested in the problems this incident in MALAYSIA will create in the team. A wrong was done to him and his career. He and the team made a plan and someone went rogue and Webber got the shaft. Not the point of the thread. This is not an analysis of his career. It is a question of how the incidents at MALAYSIA will affect Mark and the team. You have a signed contract from Vettel stating this? OK great, you're on Vettel's side. We get it. Yes, because the underdog, less talented guy actually beat the reigning champ fair and square. The team accepted that and the rogue champ couldn't take it and sucker punched him. People don't like that. For you. That's not how it's being perceived by the general public.
Actually, no, he didn't beat the champ. The race ends at the finish line, not after the last pit stop. Webber was ahead, but Vettel knew he was faster and didn't want to voluntarily give up a race that was rightfully his to win. It's not as if Vettel flew past Webber as if Webber was standing still - it was a fight that played out over many corners and several laps. Webber did not sit there powerless while Vettel ignored team orders and passed him. He tried to stop it - he tried to win - but he doesn't have Vettel's talent, so there was little he could do about it.
See above... the race ends at the finish line. Webber was faster for some of the race, but not the part that counts, despite his best efforts to go wheel to wheel with Seb and win. He ran out of talent and got schooled by a superior talent.
Oh wow. The race between the two was to the last pit stop - SEB KNEW THAT. If SEB really was faster, he'd of been in front then! As it is - Seb wasn't. Seb chose to ignore that, and Webber decided not to wreck/race him for it. The last time Webber chose to race seb for it - Seb took him self out turning into Webber. It dropped Webber to 3rd from 1st/2nd. Webber probably could of stepped up the wick, and gotten past Seb again, but the odds of Seb would wreck himself(and/or webber) out again were pretty darn high.
Which is precisely why the team shouldn't waste valuable WDC points on him. It is beyond me that they chose such a retarded strategy.
Sorry Mike, but no. This is not how it played out. Don't become T12 with such a skewed view. (Although I fully expect one of your long-winded responses) . He ignored the teams directive about tire wear, and race pace, and bringing the cars home 1-2 easily. That's why EVERYONE understands what Seb did (including Seb). It's not just ignoring team orders in Malaysia; it's been every race since he won his first title. How many times did the team tell him in years since, when he was miles ahead, to slow down, yet he would put i the fastest lap at the end of the race. He's literally grown into a single-minded monster. Red Bull has nurtured it, and now they have a problem. Vettel has more talent than Webber, no doubt, yet he has instantly become despised, worldwide. Kevin
Contractually, RB is obligated to give Mark equal standing & equipment regardless of what you or any of us armchair experts feel is Mark's true place in the pecking order. I wish I still had the link.
You have a habit of taking your opinions and representing them as indisputable facts when they aren't even well formed opinions, let alone facts. Seb feels bad because he's a nice guy and because he sees Webber is dejected over this. Your assertions that Seb is a "monster" and "despised" are precisely what I refer to my in first sentence.
I watched Webber battle Seb for plenty of corners before losing. So either we were watching different races, or we have a different definition of "decided not to wreck/race him for it". If Webber had beaten Seb, he wouldn't have gotten passed. What happened was Seb knew he was faster, and wanted the win. He disobeyed team orders and gave himself the win. It was selfish and I have no problem with that - but don't kid yourself that Webber had "won" or was faster. If he was, the whole incident never would have happened.
Mike, I don't think Mark was schooled by Vettel. There is no doubt that Mark had backed off and naively believed that Vettel would follow him home in a flag finish 1 2. Mark drove well for most of this race. The only thing I don't understand is he still thinks that Vettel will not pass him for any reason. There is some naivity there, and maybe a lack of killer instinct? Pete
Good point, I think they all go through this phase and then grow out of it after they get slapped down.
Hasn't Vettel been schooling him since the start? I'm not saying Webber is an Alex Yoong or Scott Speed, but I see a huge differential in speed and performance there - it's not like they are very close, IMO. Anyway, I believe Mark had backed off and was expecting a 1-2 with him being 1. But at some point it became clear to him that Vettel was racing for the win. And I believe at that point that Webber was also racing for the win. They were both giving it everything that had for numerous laps - and Vettel won that fight, because he's a more talented driver. I don't see why Webber would be so shocked by this. I mean, this is the same guy that outright told the world that he was not going to be helping Vettel win a WDC last year, right? And even raced him very hard, even harder than other competitors raced him. Webber didn't even have anything to gain last year other than just screwing Vettel over, and he did that. Why would Vettel show him any comfort at all?
4.5 seconds ahead at the last pitstop , drivers told to drive home for a 1-2 in the 21 position, one driver obeys , the other driver is an opportunist at best. I can pass 458s on the track as well, when they are on their slowdown lap
Going right for the personal attack is the sign of someone who doesn't have any substance to their argument. Of course, a dumb argument like "instantly despised, worldwide" has no substance on it's face, so I knew that was what was coming next. Oh, and it's "you're" See my signature!
The "instantly despised" is on the heels of Andreas post with something like 30-40% of people not having a problem with the move. You ever admit you're wrong?
Read my post. It says "the team accepted that" meaning as far as the team were concerned The race was over and it was time to cruise home.
