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  1. VisualHomage

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    #1 VisualHomage, Mar 14, 2013
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    Tom Meade's Anti-Cobra

    An Answer to Carroll Shelby

    “Started in 1963, the basic idea was begun over a frustrated Baron: In the town of Laussan, near Lake Geneva, Switzerland, Baron de Bloney had a Corvette. Being an automotive enthusiast, he raced it regularly but had been complaining that he was getting his ‘doors blown off by the Cobras.’ Thus began the Anti-Cobra project.

    “As he hung out in Italy and we knew each other, one day the Baron came with a proposal and cash deposit, commissioning me to build a special car. This weapon for the street and track would rival the legendary Shelby AC Cobras. By this time, in the early 1960s, Carroll Shelby himself was already retired as a winning racecar driver for manufacturers including Scarab, Aston Martin, Ferrari and Maserati (in 1956 and ‘57 Sports Illustrated named Shelby sports car driver of the year, and in 1959 he and co-driver Ray Salvadori won 24 Hours of LeMans).

    “To more clearly understand the impetus for the Anti-Cobra, it is important to put the rival car, the Cobra, into proper historical context:

    “Lighter and faster than the Corvette Stingray, by 1963, Shelby’s Cobra arrived at 3 Hours of Daytona for its first international competition. Although it did well, the Ferrari GTOs won, taking 1st and 2nd, while Corvette finished 3rd, leaving the Cobra in 4th place.

    “Thereafter, Shelby-American entered four cars at 12 Hours of Sebring, Florida, an FIA race. Two of the four Cobras had the new rack-and-pinion steering setup, driven by Dan Gurney and Phil Hill. Although Hill set the fastest GT lap, the Ferraris won again (dominating the field). The leading Cobra finished 11th but ahead of the Corvettes.

    “Later that same year, 1963, Shelby-American completed its first 125 Cobras. Because Ford refused to finance a Cobra Le Mans effort, Shelby put together a deal with AC Cars and Ed Hugus, who prepared one car each. The top Cobra finished 7th. After Le Mans, Shelby began the Daytona Coupe project, as the LeMans experience revealed that AC Cobra roadster body lacked the aerodynamics necessary for the desired 190(+) mph for the Mulsanne Straight. Pete Brock was the Daytona body designer.

    “By year’s end, December 1963, the Cobra won the USRRC (United States Road Racing Championship). This foreshadowed things to come. And although Ferrari continued to dominate 1963 and ’64, by the end of the 1964 season, Shelby’s Daytona Cobras had come into maturity and for the first time Ferrari’s GTOs were beaten around Le Mans and Sebring. The rest is history.

    excerpt from:
    Chad Glass: Tom Meade's Anti-Cobra
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  2. JeremyJon

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    yes, only one, ok a different car, gotcha
     
  3. El Wayne

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    Do any pictures exist of Thomassima I? I have found several pictures of the above car, (incorrectly) labeled as "Thomassima I", not "Anti-Cobra"
     
  5. anunakki

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    Strange as it may sound theres a lot of anti-cobra in the Viper...intentional or not
     
  6. rob lay

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    I'm missing the Ferrari connection?
     
  7. Glassman

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    Jesus Christ does everything here have to be about Ferrari?
     
  8. rob lay

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    you really just asked that question with this thread in "Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)"? chill out cranky...
     
  9. Texas Forever

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    Yeah, but he is our old crank. Look, if you lived up in the north woods, you'd get a little cranky too about this time of year. :)

    Dale
     
  10. Glassman

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    You don't really know much about humor apparently.
     
  11. rob lay

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    #13 rob lay, Apr 1, 2013
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    Rule 8.3 Humor not allowed on FerrariChat.

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  12. WILLIAM H

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    Think its more real Cobra in the Viper. I read Shelby worked w Dodge developing it
     
  13. WILLIAM H

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    Meade's designs were awesome
     
  14. rdefabri

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    Well then I guess I shouldn't post this...but I will anyway!!!

    By any chance, is Baron de Baloney related to Count de Money????

    WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooo!!
     
  15. bitzman

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    I don't see how that title relates, but anyhow wanted to add to the part that said "Because Ford refused to finance a Cobra Le Mans effort, Shelby put together a deal with AC Cars and Ed Hugus, who prepared one car each"

    From my research, done in the States and in the UK, talking to people like Phil Remington , and other members of Shelby's team, my impression is that Ford was into endurance racing for one reason; to win LeMans 1st overall to establish Fofd's name in Europe. They saw even in '62 that Ferrari prototypes were nearing 200 mph and knew that the Cobra roadster couldn't top 170 mph. So they saw no point in backing the Cobra at LeMans in '63, as they were busy doing the GT40 for the '64 season (that effort run without Shelby). But Ford did back the Daytona coupe because they thought once they could crack 180 mph at least they could beat Ferraris in the GT class. Once they had the GT40s however, their interest in backing Cobra racing efforts backed off considerably, which is why they didn't back a works effort for the 427 Cobra; it was a car that had come too late and still wasn't able to win the race overall.

    An interesting side note is the Scagietti bodied Corvettes Shelby financed, I think three were made; they looked like Tdfs a bit, were not popular and GM cut them off after furnishing three chassis. So those were Shelby's anti-Ferraris made with Ferrari's own coachbuilder!
     
  16. BT

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    My uncle had a Ferrari just like that thing in the pictures. It was awesome, and he had all the tools to tune it up too!

    ;)
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  17. VisualHomage

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    It's Tom Meade's name for the car he built for the Baron who wanted to destroy the Cobra that kept beating his a$$ :)

    You make a good point about the lack of interest for a works car. I'm assuming you mean the Daytona not being backed by Ford. As you know the Ford Daytona Coupe' is a Cobra and was under the direct purview of Carroll Shelby. Ford obviously didn't back the roadster Cobra for 1963 LeMans as it was aerodynamically incapable of beating the Ferraris as Shelby discovered--hence his focusing on development of the Daytona for 1963. But again it wasn't backed by the factory and failed to overtake the Ferrari 275P and the two 330Ps that finished 1-2-3 while the Daytona took 4th for 1964 LeMans. Ironically, however, the works backed GT 40s of that race/year didn't finish but Shelby's Cobra took 4th--pretty damned impressive--so much so that Ford put him on the GT 40 project thereafter.

    That bit about the Scaglietti bodied Vettes and the Shelby connection is pretty crazy ;)
     
  18. VisualHomage

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    You may like this bit of backstory, albeit circuitous and long. It culminates with some information about LeMans and Tom's brief involvement there. LeMans 1966 is renown as the retaliation year for Ford and its GT 40s, sent finishing in dramatic 1-2-3 formation--a direct and deliberate retaliation against Ferrari:

    Chad Glass: Tom Meade Update: February 2012 -Part 3
     

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