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Discussion in 'Fine Watches, Jewelry, & Clothes' started by texasmr2, Mar 22, 2013.

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  1. ferraripete

    ferraripete F1 World Champ

    the op is an otherwise good member on this site and has been a respectful contributor largely...we all have our moments however:)

    that said, this thread has been managed poorly from the start. shepa has it right from his early posts.

    1) this site has created some monsters where there have been individuals financially damaged as a result.

    2) the op had a wind fall possibility with this great find and for days he literally just sat on his hands or had other more pressing business...more pressing than a $60k + payday?

    3) clearly if he was going to try to extract some value in a sale...THE ONLY thing to do would to have had it authenticated at a rolex ad.

    4) if this were a real deal and some gem was found and purchased for a dollar and sold for big bux...i believe this thread would have been found and become front page web news.

    5) the op coming back on to ask us to shut the thread down and then come on to say the watch was authentic and sold with in hours of authentication seems more than suspect.

    while i doubt the op had an "arron white" type of intention, i do think he has a responsibility to come out here and explain himself, the authentication process, and high level details of the sale (we need no mention of tranactional value...just how the process played out). if this was all drummed up...he needs to come out and face the music. he will win back my support if he does.

    best,

    pcb
     
  2. ferraripete

    ferraripete F1 World Champ

    i was also at an estate sale yesterday in socal and also brought a 288 goat. it was easy to authenticate as my neighbor who is a respected 288 expert told me that the thickness of the fiberglass on the fenders was in fact proper!

    i'm gonna keep this bad boy as the pontiac v-6 (also authenticated as unique to the 288) really roars!!

    best,
     
  3. Shark01

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    The high end watch business is quite serious. I learned that aquiring my first Rolex years ago. From what I know, Gregg is a working man (like me), with no exotic cars, who probably didn't realize the extent of fakes in the marketplace. I have a drawer full of fakes, some cheesy and obvious, some quite good.

    I'm sure he thought he hit it big and got too excited. We all know he didn't get it authenticated and sold in a 12 hour period....during the dead of night. No 24 hour Rolex dealers in Houston I know of.

    So guys, cut him some slack...I'm sure he learned a lesson here.
     
  4. RifleMan

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    Replicas are illegal in the USA.

    There was an article a couple months back about Rolex pressing charges against a replica seller. They got the right prosecutor and right judge. The seller got 3 years.
     
  5. Shark01

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    Has NOTHING to do with this situation....but Rolex has the right to go after manufacturers of fakes, just like Disney had the right to remove Winnie the Pooh from a dead 4 year old's headstone.

    Buyer beware...
     
  6. 355dreamer

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    I get it. People make mistakes. I doubt the OP has seen many Rolex, so I can understand the mistake. Heck, I've never seen a leopard daytona, but I'm pretty sure I could quickly discern a real one from a fake.

    I've just got an issue with

    1. Lying to the board
    2. Tucking tail and hiding when called out
     
  7. Wade

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    I'd be willing to bet that most "watch collectors" haven't a clue about any of the technical aspects of rare and precision watches... they're just buying them because, 1 - they have the money and 2 - said watches are expensive.

    Otherwise, your post is good info and reiterates the "if it's too good to be true..." mantra.
     
  8. sherpa23

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    #133 sherpa23, Mar 31, 2013
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    Because the rest of us, even those who do own exotic cars, don't work???

    I don't disagree with much of what you're saying except you're either forgetting or downplaying a couple of important things here.

    It is not hard for a watch newbie to be faked out by a fake Rolex. It happens more than most think and, in my opinion, there would be no shame in that. That is not the issue here and let's not make that the issue.

    The issue is that Gregg tried to conduct a business transaction with members of this community and when people asked him to step up and be transparent and forthcoming about it, he did not and has not. In fact, despite the cries of those in this thread for the transparency which was promised in an earlier post by Gregg, he has purposefully ignored them. Whether it's a deal for a watch, a car, and bumper, real estate, etc or even just plain old advice to fix something, it doesn't matter. Much of the social construct of this forum is based on trust and honesty. People need to be able to trust that the advice that they're receiving is sound and truthful and based on experience and people need to know that if they're purchasing something from another member, that the item or service is honest and true to the description. Trust is what makes this whole place function as it does.

    That is why this entire situation doesn't sit well with many of the long time users of Fchat, many of whom have been on here for years.

    The way this whole thing has gone down follows a very specific pattern by some people who have come on here and used Fchat to find victims for various frauds that have been perpetrated on here. The reason this thread remains open is because Gregg has not come back on here and clarified his position and been transparent and forthcoming with what really went on here and what this whole thing was about.

    Because of his silence on the matter, we are left with no choice but to wonder all sorts of things: Did he try to sell us a fake? How did someone at a garage sale let go of an authentic Leopard Daytona? How was it authenticated and why was it sold so quickly? Was it stolen? Is this part of something bigger and more sinister?

    I said it very clearly before: no one here that I can see wants anything but the best for Gregg and his mom. If this was real and legit and he had a huge windfall, I think we would be all congratulating him. If it were a fake and he said that he was fooled, we would all shrug and say "no worries; it happens." This was a big thread from Gregg and he jumped in the deep end. It would be understandable if it were a simple mistake and a misstep. But the way the whole thing has gone on with his defensiveness and running away from the thread leaves many of us wondering what was the end game in all of this.

    And before someone else says it's a witch hunt or whatever, let it be said that those who fail to remember history are doomed to repeat it. Go back and look at the patterns of those who perpetrated the biggest frauds on Fchat. Many came on here and used their time on here to befriend Ferrari owners, offer help and get close to them. They had high post counts and referred to many members here as "friends." Then they started doing some really bad things to members here for their own financial gain.

    And before you say that it's some sort of prejudice against those who don't own Ferraris on here, let it be known that most of us did not own Ferraris when we joined. I didn't own a Ferrari when I joined. I joined to learn and get more information about what I would be in for if I did buy a Ferrari. Anyone who wants to own a Ferrari in their future should join, subscribe, and learn about the cars long before they buy one. So it has nothing to do with that either.

    This post has gone on for way too long but before people start misconstruing the point of why this thread is still up, it's because the whole thing remains unresolved and many people on the site, including many who have not posted in this thread, have formed a less than favorable opinion of the OP because of this. It bears too many similarities with some of the bad stuff from Fchat's past. This whole thing has gone from weird, to bad, to worse, to serious - all because of how Gregg has chosen to conduct himself here.

    If we could get it all resolved in a clear and transparent way with everyone's questions being properly answered, I'm sure that a few of the people here would be satisfied and move on. Even if people here are not quick to forget, they always have been quick to forgive. How many chances did Lemus get?

    I'm climbing off the soap box now.
     
  9. FarmerDave

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    I'm going to take a different tack here.

    I don't know the original poster, Greg, but I have been paying attention to him for a while since he posts in the Texas section. Those posts are often requests for help or advice about a problematic situation he finds himself in. Never financial help necessarily (that I have seen) but help working on a car, career advice, etc. In most cases Greg seems to have a crippling lack of self awareness and no awareness of the less than positive impression he is making of himself in the way he words his requests for help and advice.

    I didn't save links to them but I did look about a month ago and found a handful of other web forums, some dating back many years, where there were similar requests for assistance like law enforcement career advice, help working on his car.

    Recently his security guard career threads here on FChat, and gun/badge thread, and before that his stories about his inability to get and keep a job in county law enforcement, really paint a picture of a guy who has a sense of entitlement that is a part of his personality.

    My take on this thread is that he wants to look after his mother, who we know from other threads and this one is not physically well, is still in the workforce, in debt, and Greg is not financially in a position to ease his mom's pain, let alone his own frustration that what he expects should be easy for him is not coming easily, and he's unaware that this sense of entitlement is not serving him.

    So when his mom had a fake Rolex in her jewelry box and he googled a picture, there was no outcome he could imagine other than a huge payday and the golden ticket to easing his mom's, and maybe some of his own, pain.

    That the Rolex was fake was an impossibility to him, and when he read the remarks of people with their feet grounded in reality, he's so embarrassed and realizes he's finally alienated a community of normally helpful people, that he just wants to click his heels and make it go away.

    In summary I don't think Greg is a fraudster, I think he's just a guy who had lots of personal issues and deluded himself that the fake garage sale watch was the magic beans to bring back to his mom. I don't beleive his mom even thought for a second it was a real Rolex.
     
  10. LightGuy

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    ^ Nicely said.
     
  11. enzo thecat

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    #136 enzo thecat, Mar 31, 2013
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    Wait, wait...So this guy is/has been involved in some genre of law enforcement/security? ARE YOU SERIOUS!?!?! That's the icing on the cake. Unbelievable. Besides the laws that could/might have been broken, there is a serious lack of ethics and decency displayed by the OP.
     
  12. greg512tr

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    first a fishing reel in a different forum, then a rolex fiasco here? I see a pattern.

    extremecoast.com ? View topic - Where is Texasmr2????

    "Where is Texasmr2????

    by mako » Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:14 pm

    I sold this guy a rod and reel over 2 months ago, he still owes me the $$$. I was trying to be nice and sent him the combo before he sent the cash, my mistake. He will not answer emails, I have his address and will have to pay him a visit if I do not hear from him soon. If anyone knows him, pm me his # or tell him I am looking for him. Thanks.
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    I know Gregg and have fished with him one time. If he in fact has done this his information is the following.
    The weird thing is I am hunting an Asian dude named David Troung a friend of his for stealing a reel from me while on a fishing trip. '

    Small world we live in huh? Glad I could help out. I dont know Gregg all that well but if you want me to hammer down on him say the word."
     
  13. Alcav5

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    I am glad this thread has remained open.
     
  14. Canine64

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    Very interesting. My brother recently picked up a very rare Zebco rod/reel combo at a garage sale. It is in absolute mint condition and is the Roland Martin Special edition. He picked it up for a song. We are hoping that this could be the mother load for my bro when he sells it. I will post more pix soon and hope to have it authenticated by an authorized Zebco dealer. Or maybe even a Bass Pro Shop? Your thoughts? Before I do so, we are accepting offers of $75,000 or best reasonable offer. Serious inquiries only.

    Fish On!!!



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  15. ferraripete

    ferraripete F1 World Champ

    naughty boy :)
     
  16. Drive550PFB

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    Just checked back in to this thread. Glad to see members looking for substantiation of the original post.

    I really bothers me when someone just can't just close the loop.

    The OP has lost me as a reader. I won't believe him again--he has to earn respect, and he has a long way to go. I just did a quick search. He posted about 15 times after asking this thread to be closed. So, he was here--just not answering the posts.
     
  17. darth550

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    Tater the baiter?
     
  18. darth550

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    fix'd
     
  19. TexasF355F1

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    FChat investigators will always track you down. LOL

    How'd you find that, Google his screen name?
     
  20. RifleMan

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    Why haven't you responded?

    You tried to sell us a $71,350 watch.

    Did you have a watch or did you take pictures off the internet?
     
  21. jimpo1

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    I may have the 288 GTO for sale again. Turns out that the cashiers check that the guy used to pay me for it was a fake. I guess I should've had it authenticated.

    He told me he'll bring me the car back this weekend.

    :rolleyes:

    :D
     
  22. enzo thecat

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  24. enzo thecat

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    But there was a "problem"... and thus a pattern....
     
  25. FarmerDave

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    The problem is Gregg is a dumbass.

    Which unfortunately (fortunately?) for all of us, that's not illegal or against forum rules.
     

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