F40 on fast and loud

Thanks Grady for the info. I figured as much, no one in their right mind would waste money like that in todays economy.

FYI, I haven't seen this show yet but I've meet a couple of people that been associated with Gas Monkey Garage. I dumped my cable years ago & have been happy without it. All these scripted shows aka "situations" are just so bad they're not even worth watching anymore.

 

Anytime you see something on TV, never trust the values they say. I'm actually quite relieved that they didn't pay anywhere near 400k for this car. I personally like to watch these car shows for ideas and see how they do things, but you just can't trust the numbers. Hell the same episode, that 38 sedan wouldn't have hit 35k. Originals are selling 15-19k, customs in the 25k range. With that said, a lot of the things they do are pretty nice, but touching a ferrari is something they shouldn't do, and if the cameras weren't there, they probably wouldn't.

With that said, since this is a "finale" I'm curious if any of you guys have an ear to the ground on if they're actually rebuilding it proper. They mentioned getting it recerted by ferrari afterwards, but again, it's a TV show and I unfortunately have a gut feeling that they aren't going to fork out 200-300k for parts and repairs for something they can fake with 30k. Not a huge Ferrari fan, but F40's and F50's have a place in everyones hearts and I would hate to see this baby mistreated.

 

I can't believe that anybody would spend that kind of money on something in that condition.. There is no way they can put that back together and sell it for a profit. Not to mention the fact that who would want it with that history.

 

Okay, I can live with that. So whats the reason to mock up the $400k offer & sale? So people are interested in the show? Or so they can say "I have more than that in it" when they get an $500k offer when its actually ready to sell?

Either way I think I would have brought it home for that $80k all day & would have been hard pressed to pass on it at $200.

 

I think you hit it on the head.

That, plus the extra drama for TV. Shelling out $80K for a car is not that dramatic.

 

I saw the clip at the end of the show too. Mike Luongo was the guy on the phone breaking the news (bad maybe) to Richard. Mike is the shop foreman at Lambo Dallas and a long time Ferrari tech. So maybe the "shop" is the Lambo Dealer. I'm guessing the F40 was sent to LoD to get a good estimate of damages and parts needed to put her back together correctly. If that's possible.

 

We sold them parts for that car a few months ago (original parts).
The huge crate you see being carted across the floor by 5 guys, was
our finely built crate. Dennis bought all the F40 stuff I had. Front bonnet,
rear bumper, quarters, lights, rims etc... I had listed on Ebay for a little
while.
Probably shouldn't give anything away from what I was told, but that
car will end up looking VERY unique. Stuff I like, but I'm sure guys on
this site will go ballistic (hehe). I'm hoping he buys a few other parts
that we make to spice that dull factory front-end up a bit. 'Specially for
a "special build" non-factory looking. I think the car might be running
the Texas mile after the build. ;o) Kinda cool.

 

I don't think i like where this is going...

 

Hehe. More true words have never been spoken. ;o) I say that based on some
of the car enthusiasts comments I've read before here on Fchat.. The car WILL end
up looking nice... (at least "I" think it will. But I like "different") ...and you will
probably like how it turns out too if you can appreciate the blue chrome F40 (from
Japan) on youtube.
"Different" can be fun.

 

I actually hope that they spent that much and happy that it has been broadcasted all over the world.

It may help increase the value of every other perfect and non perfect F40

So a classiche, one owner car, $1.1mill anyone???

 

To me, it sounds like a build that was waiting for a wrecked car so as not to have to pay for and then 'ruin' a clean car...

 

Awesome! That's EXACTLY what you should do with a totaled Ferrari. It's never going to have good resale value, so why not make it unique with tasteful upgrades?

 

"Different" can be fun but it could prove to be extremely costly, and defiantly controversial. I'm interested if what ever they do affects the resale value and, if it is modified ALOT, weather they can sell it quickly ( I guess Masonry has answered that question many times). This should be interesting.

 

but claiming to pay $400,000 for a heap, when after 2 minutes searching the web I found running ones for $595,000 as recent as a year ago (march 2012), they are essentially paying for a clean car after paying for parts. Granted, they probably paid (as stated by someone else before me) around $200,000 when most would only offer 80k. They'll fix it for another 200, costing them probably all said and done between 400 and 450k and sell it for $550k. But on air, Dennis will claim to buy it for a figure closer to a million, if not break that barrier just for ratings.

But what I'm scared of is them putting their gas monkey style to a F40. By all means, go out and pick up a 43 ford coupe and hot rod it out, because you can still find at least a few hundred of those and I would be happy to drive one. But when you're dealing with a car that you can only find 53 or so other stock examples of, stock has to be the way to go, if for no other reason than to help the population of an endangered species.


edit: don't hate me for bringing it up on a ferrari forum, but it's the same aspect as finding a wrecked 63 Shelby Mustang. Would anyone do one thing differently than the late Carrol Shelby had done to it originally? Gotta say keep Enzo's original game plan as unfortunately, he won't be making any more from the beyond.

 

Hello, "different"! Maybe some have forgotten about what Roland did to his and on here it didn't fare well to many. http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/288gto-f40-f50-enzo-laferrari/286431-roland-linder-12.html

 

They can't fix it for another 200KUSD, and they can't sell it for 550KUSD.

 

US cars don't have fuel bladders. Was it a Euro car?

 

Yes sir. He looked at several cars, one of which was Euro car, I know US spec cars have aluminum skinned tanks. The Euro car was just serviced and had the bladders replaced, I was amazed by the cost of a full service plus fuel bladder even by Ferrari standards it was steep. He ended up buying a US spec car. It doesn't really matter as the car was not staying state side, but he went with a lower mileage US spec car.

 

Definitely not the same thing. For one, they didn't make a Mustang in '63, and for two, you can find base model mustangs that you can use as a base for a hot rod easily so there's no need to use a Shelby. There is no base model F40 that you can use as a base for a hot rodded f40. Well, maybe you could use a 288GTO but isn't that even worse?

Also, why pay $600k for a clean car to start with when you're going to remove half of the body to modify anyway, buy a cheaper wrecked and save yourself the $200k (or $400k in this case, whatever). You gain nothing starting with a clean car if you plan to replace most of the stuff anyway.

 

Agreed, I have feeling it's going to be an awful 'FrankenFerrari' when they're done with it, but I hope I'm wrong. Maybe it will be like the 'MM ENZO' and they'll save they car.

 

Well, I know first hand what the costs are on a comprehensive service and I know that you're right around there. By the way, on US cars many need all the rubber in the fuel system replaced around now depending on how the car's been used and where it's been. While that's not as much as a full fuel bladder replacement, it's not as far off as you might think.

 

Yes, I don't think there's much difference in it, what's crazy to me is the F50 fuel system replacement is even more costly. I asked a friend of mine what the cost of an F40 replacement tub would be from Ferrari, which it looks like this car needs, and all he could give was a 'rough' idea but that alone was in the 6 figure range. Would you happen to know a solid number?

 

I can't see them returning this to a "normal" F40. I'm sure it will have a little "gas monkey" spice.

I'm looking forward to seeing this play out. Not sure how they'll make money, but we will see.

 

I have no idea but easily 6 figures.

Take a look. First of all, it's not even a tub in the real sense of what a tub is. It's a steel space frame reinforced with carbon box sections and panels. At the time, that was kind of the extent of what they could build that could be expected to hold up indefinitely but speaking from experience, it's probably one of the best ways you can go to make a street car. It's not exceptionally light, by any means, but it's reliable, stiff, and durable without compromising drivability or ride quality/feeback. I think that part of that is what makes the F40 such a great car to own now and for years from now.

Looking at this crashed car, even if you did not build a whole new chassis, you have to replace whole sections of the space frame while rebuilding the carbon box structure. The carbon has been completely compromised. Once the bonded section is ripped of from the supporting carbon structure, there are a variety of stresses introduced that cannot be properly assessed. You would never want to just replace parts of the box structure. If it were and Enzo or F50, you would need a new tub straight up

However, because of how this frame is made, unlike that of an Enzo or F50, the right person can rebuild it. I do things that involve carbon fiber engineering and manufacturing. The carbon stuff is not hard. The hard part will be getting the right tubing for the space frame. To get the right diameters, tube shapes, lengths, gussets, reinforcements, blah blah is tricky. You want to get the same metal as the original or if not, rebuild the entire thing. If you're really committed you build a whole new frame and carbon box structure using today's metals. I don't think it makes a difference in the end but if you're going through the trouble, that's what you do.

Because of all that it will be interesting to see what these guys do.

 

Great post, I agree that it will be interesting. I hope they bring the car back like Richard's Enzo. Hopefully they truly save the car rather than turn it into some tacky 'resto-mod'. Maybe they'll build an LM look-alike?