Ferrari should offer N button on F1 steering wheels

Greg, please see my answer to Simon's message. Thanks.

 

No, it's too cold here for mowing so soon. My toenails are also good for at least another week or two.

Ooops - spotted a crabgrass... tsüß!

 

Really! Please give us just one other person in Canada that puts his car in neutral to "get out of a spin or skid". 16 year old boys just learning to drive do not count.

 

I don't have access to the best coverage of F1 events but apparently back in 2004, Christian Klien (not Klein), driving for Jaguar spun out at the apex of the Loews Corner.

For those of us who can't remember now, there was actually an interesting backdrop to this accident. Apparently both Jaguar cars had a diamond mounted on their nosecones and when Klien crashed his car at Loews, the £140/£150k diamond went missing... for good. Talk about an expensive accident with your car! Also interesting is that George Clooney was at the Monaco GP, filming Ocean's 12" and actually marketed the movie with Klien and the Jaguar Team.

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The attached photo of the crash is the best I could post as the better ones on the official F1 website are explicitly copyright-protected. They are on this webpage, 4th row down, 1st and 2nd photos from the left.

As for who else also spun off at Loews, there may indeed have been others and I understand Riccardo Patrese did spin off there in 1982 but he actually recovered and won the race for Brabham-Ford!

Enjoy!

 

I was there. He didn't spin but he did have a little "understeer"! Why do you continue??

 

Uhmmm... Seriously...? Oh the irony... have you run out of driver ed. books to quote from yet...?

 

So you're not going to answer my questions.

Confirmed as a troll.
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Pete

 

I guess they must really bother you. I suggest you just switch off, like don't read the thread and you won't feel bothered. I do the same thing, I just put trolls and hecklers on my ignore list.

So long!

 

So he won't have to listen to the truth.

 

This thread is an instructive course on Dunning-Kruger Effect, absolutely textbook. Though in the real world ignoring those that are trying to get through to you is rarely so hilariously literal.

Honestly, I don't know why you would even bother trying to get through to someone who considers the DMV some kind of brain trust of car control experts.

 

You would be a lot more credible if you spent your words on applying science to explain why manipulating neutral gearing does not provide any benefits when your car begins to slide.

Employing off-hand remarks, personal insults and sarcasm to try and alter the mental well-being of someone who politely expresses, takes pains to explain his ideas and the recommendations for everyday driving offered by public authorities only shows how horribly perverse your thinking is. You have no power over me and it worries you. The silliness I see from your likes is just child's play, literally. I respond to you only because I came from a place that believes in traditional values of grace and good manners. Though you show me no respect I show you how it feels to be treated fairly.

You have no idea who I am but I can see from your associations who you are. I do not come from anything like where you come from. I am very solidly grounded and I hope you find better things to spend your time on. Life is very short and one day you will remember what I said about perversion. Perversion.

I have other hobbies to pursue before I turn in. So before I overspend, I will say "so long!".

 

He'll put us all on ignore and argue with himself. Constant "drift"....low speed street corners, high speed corners, black ice, snap oversteer, push, understeer, 4 wheel slides, yada yada...

 

this thread is funny and ridiculous at the same time. Physic are what they are.

 

Vincent, I understand your observations and there are reasons why it is so.

My impression is that many of the trolls and hecklers actually share the very same motives I have for buying my Ferrari. I'll explain that in a later posting, after I finish some of my weekend projects.

Physics are important to understand when it comes to cars and driving... otherwise, we are just buying an unfathomable object or only "passengers". And at the same time, if you cannot explain what you believe in or why it motivates you then you are likely also just a "passenger" of your emotions. I mention this because I think it relates to people's behaviour on this thread.

 

Your command of the German language ranks up there with your understanding of vehicle dynamics.....it's "tschuss"....with an umlaut and a beta. Sincerely, born in Stuttgart (not Arkansas).

 

Und tschüß!



Kai

 

He will never see your posts, most of us are on "ignore"

 

I tried to maintain a straight face throughout this thread but ********, I just lost it at this line here. Lol!!! Bravo to you 4th gear, bravo!!

 

sequential gearboxes lengthen stopping times? I don't quite understand. Can you explain that? Perhaps with a chart?

 

Automatic rev matching with an F1 paddle shift gearbox unsettles a car minimally if at all. You can focus on mashing on the brakes and go down through the gears at any point during the slowing sequence. You can even trail brake into the corner and drop a gear simultaneously. Miss a rev match with an MT and you can unsettle the rear of the car quite a bit. Been there and done that....

 

Now that there's some serious content, you're bothered that there's a lack of carriage returns?

Para1, 2 and 3 together contain 4 sentences.

The next paragraph addresses turn-in oversteer. Yes, on my screen it spans 7 lines. It's all on one topic.

The next 2 paragraphs are 4 lines combined.

The next paragraph addresses driving on ice.

I'll summarize: Go read up on friction circles and weight transfer.

I invested the time to write you a serious explanation of why the idea you've been flogging here for 200 posts needs some further thought applied, and you say you can't read it because you wanted blank lines between paragraphs?!? And you want headings??? Grammar, Spelling and Punctuation are all pretty good in my posting. A solid B, maybe a B+ in anything but a journalism class.

You are a troll and I feel like a chump for getting sucked in.

 

Also, if you quickly pull the left paddle more than once, it will drop as many gears as you want (as long as you don't require a gear which would make it overrev), without going through each one. It will open the clutch, select the final gear, and close the clutch. This is possible because from a mechanical standpoint the gearbox is not sequential; so if, say, you are in sixth and pull the left paddle four times, it will directly engage second.

Slightly different scenario in a double-clutch gearbox. When the TCU senses that you might want to downshift, it will preselect the next lowest gear. If you pull the paddle more than once you will incur in some additional delay, as it will have to select a different gear instead of just "swapping the active clutch", so to speak. Worst case scenario is going directly from an odd gear to another odd gear, or from an even gear to another even gear. But it is still possible to skip gears.

On some models you can also just keep pulling the left paddle during braking and it will downshift for you as much as needed.

And before somebody complains that I don't have a Ferrari, I should point out that the 8C has essentially the same gearbox as the 599.

 

Watch it! He's going to put you in the "ignore" box.

 

and give you a "so long" salute. Perhaps preceded by a lecture in the English language, grammar, science, or throw some other gold nuggets your way Though, personally, I would be careful following any of the car control instructions shared in plenty quantity and shape. But, that is just me...

On a serious note. On my Challenge car I simply hit both paddles in case of a spin in order to avoid rotating the engine backwards. In my older 3-pedal Alfa race cars I would simply (like everyone else) push in the clutch and brake in case of a spin (again, clutch to prevent rotating the engine backwards). In either case it will only come into effect when the spin is unavoidable. Until then, steering and throttle input to try get things under control.

Jes

 

That's interesting what you say about skipping gears on downshifts. So the 8C essentially uses a Selespeed gearbox.

I mentioned on another thread that I watched an onboard video showing Alonso grab several quick downshifts (F2012 I think) while tackling hairpins, downshifting 3-4 times and I was wondering if there was some way to skip gears by tricking the DCT. After reading your post I searched the forum and 3 people also discussed this on a past thread. Your explanation seems very plausible but I'm still not clear on the situation with the California's DCT. I guess I'll find out soon enough.

On the topic of skipping gears with the DCT as discussed on the "Scud vs. 458: Prefer the Scud but didn't expect to. Advice? " thread