Ferrari should offer N button on F1 steering wheels

Xtn,

Well stated explanation. I agree that for the most part, people have been quite civil. No nasty name calling as in some Fchat threads. Some barbs, high browed humor, sarcasm. Some rambling accusations of "perversion" from the OP however. When a logical argument is presented he runs off on a tangent. Most of us are on "ignore" now....like trees falling in a forest...is there a noise? The OP truly thinks the world is flat. Nothing we say will sway him.
This thread has been quite entertaining and educational. I've learned about the Dunning Kruger effect and also refreshed my understanding of the friction circle. Even my wife, who's certainly not a car person, has followed this thread. She says I should send a gift to the OP to thank him for the entertainment provided.

 

I'm beginning to think our OP is defending his absurd position because he relishes in all the attention... Whether it be positive or negative. I am also growing more convinced that he is some college kid really enjoying the give and take and the fact that somehow he has been given some level of respect.

Personally, I think this thread has run its course and should be closed. It would be easier to teach a ham sandwich to speak Latin than to get him to understand how hopeless his position is.

 

Awe, come on, Joe, you don't buy his authority on liability for Ferrari for when his yet-to-arrive California rolls over with adults in the back seat with the roof down? I thought that thread would have the legs this one does but it's being ignored.

 

Evidently I made quite the impression on our poor, beleaguered OP. Though I'm shocked to see phrases like "air of professorial authority" and "technical-sounding medical term". I didn't realize using the simple name of an affliction and posting a link to Wikipedia, so as not to have to explain it in actual technical-sounding terms, was so impressive.

If he wasn't so arrogant and obnoxious, he'd almost be kind of adorable in a sad sort of way.

 

Good God!
You still didn't read the discussion I offered up about when you may or may not want to use neutral when a car oversteering or else you would have at least commented on the times I pointed out that neutral could help here or there.

I'm not interested in preaching to the choir about car control, everyone here but you already thinks the same.

The entire discussion here has ignored a significant condition in which wanting to use neutral during oversteer might have a hint of merit, but you don't want to complicate the discussion by breaking it out from other conditions. That's why I wanted to discuss different road conditions separately instead of thoughtlessly lumping things together. Because I have some genuine knowledge I was trying to share with you on the topic. Now that this has been offered to you, you retreat from your typical point-by-point refutation of opposing statements and say "you're talking about a bunch of stuff I wasn't." No, I was trying to have an analytical discussion of when one would or would not have a use for your proposal.

 

I feel like we've taken the wrong tact here. Perhaps we should encourage him to contact Ferrari with his brilliant idea. Surely they would appreciate his genius and tell him they'll work on it right away.

 

OK, maybe XTN won't say it but I will you have a "delusional mental affliction" Are you happy now?

 

Now that you mention it, I do recall you asking for patience in digesting and analyzing the explanation I put together for you of "skid" recovery on different surfaces. I mentioned different surfaces because you said the car control technique this whole thread is about was applicable on a variety of surfaces, but I hadn't noticed any of the discussion that addressed differences in what it takes to control oversteer on these different surfaces. And that difference is due to weight transfer.

It's impossible to have a discussion about vehicle dynamics without at least an implicit acknowledgement of what the surface is and weight transfer.

If you now want to drop the assertion that "Going to neutral during a slide or a skid is a valuable car control technique" and instead make the focus "I'd like this on my car because I think it will be cool to look like an F1 car" then that's fine, but discussing how to control a car at or beyond the limit and back it up (which you were demanding a few pages back) with WHY is actually quite technical.

I'm sorry if I'm boring or losing you with all this engineering discussion (believe me, I'm keeping it simple), but you kept demanding people provide more than brief assertions without backup, so here I am.

 

Can I suggest you something?

Get longer paddles that join at the top and you could activate N with one hand.

Regards.

 

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Mark