No idea of the VIN. The information I got was that it's original (there are only 2 of those recorded I think). But maybe this owner was 'enhancing the truth' as well.
0160 ~ ~ ~ Black ~ France. Converted into a spyder by the factory in 1982. Whereas: 0325 1965 ~ 13999 Cream Black #1 of 2 350 GTS Spyders made by Touring. 1965 Turin Show Car on the Lamborghini stand. Al Burtoni, USA. 0328 1965 ~ ~ Bronze Gold Black #2 of 2 350 GTS Spyders made by Touring. 1965 Turin Show Car on the Touring stand. Went to Spain,
Are you certain about the two originals? I was told that the Al Burtoni car is now gold and was the one Valentino was in involved with and delivered last week.
"Original" = that's what Valentino B. confirmed me. Same from Simon K. when he described the car during the "Concours d'Elegance" Bruno Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Well, at least we know one of the 2 cars was gold/black on the 1965 Turin Salon stand! Is that 0325 or 0328? I know that's my clients Miura Prototype Concept for sure. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Hello, Valentino told me on the car at Piazza Maggiore that the colour is called: Nocciola Acrilico Metalizzato. Best regards, Kuntatsch
I'm not sure at all, since that information comes from the lambo registry. What is definitely the case, the gold car was at the Lambo stand, the black one at Touring with a green hide! BTW #160 has engine 1395, I took a picture of the vin plate.
Clearly there is a mix-up somewhere. The registry states: 0325 - Cream/Black #1 of 2 350 GTS Spyders made by Touring. 1965 Turin Show Car on the Lamborghini stand. Al Burtoni, USA. 0328 - Bronze Gold/Black #2 of 2 350 GTS Spyders made by Touring. 1965 Turin Show Car on the Touring stand. Went to Spain. Now we have "0325" in Gold/Black (as seen & documented this past week) claimed as the one-and-only Turin Salon car. All the pictures I have seen of the 1965 Turin Salon whilst researching my client's Miura Prototype Concept show just 1 350 GTO Spyder, so the suggestion that there were 2 at Turin om the ILR Registry 1965 seems erroneous (but I have no proof either way). Also, if the Burtoni car is now gold (as Staatsof's source suggests) and was the one seen this past week, the the chassis number assignment or colors/description on ILR is wrong because the car that showed up in gold was 0325. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Time to call in Hercule Poirot. After all, he is one Sant'Agata Christie's best detectives. All I know is what I was told by two very good sources which was that the car restored in gold is the ex Al Burtoni car and that Valentino would be delivering to event. Image Unavailable, Please Login
No need for Hercule Poirot, I already figured this one out 4 years ago: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/138439802-post310.html But if nobody is paying attention, and the ILR is still not updated, everybody is wrong informed, and important Lamborghini history is still NOT correct, what a pitty ;-( Ciao! Marcel
Thank you Marcel for the useful information and for drawing our attention to this. Ive quoted your previous post so that users can easily see the correct information. This is a good time to review it. ------------------------------------------------------------- "New information received yesterday: Al Burtoni apparently seems to owns the golden car, not the black one !!!! So if all info us correct, it now looks like this: #0325 The golden car at the 1965 Turin Show, Lamborghini stand. Painted beige in Italy, on Milano plates. Sold to the USA Bought by Al Burtoni in Los Angeles late 1970's, plates 350-GTS (USA) Restoration almost completed in 2009. #0328 The black car, with emerald (green) interior at the 1965 Turin Show, Touring stand. Sold to Spain, then to Prince Altani of Saudi Arabia. Offered for sale here in Holland by dealer Rudy Pas in 1980, painted red, with red mirror. Seen by Uno in 1982 at the factory in Italy, painted red, with red mirror, about to being restored there. Now in the USA, owned by Ed Ulrich. The pictures with 0325 and 0328 at the ILR are actually of the same car!"
Has anyone come across a 400gt in white that had it's rear end modified around the license plate area.
Hi All, Here are two photos from the show in Spain in 1966. I am looking for the magazine or a good scan of the in-doors photo. If any one can help I would appreciate it. Bob Huber Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
I've been told that this is a chop job and not the original black one? Was there a chassis number with this car?
When you have some hours of patience I will have it, the engine was 1395 - a 4l. From the registry it's known that #160 was chopped by the factory, but we wait till this is confirmed.
I myself have doubts that the factory converted a coupe into a convertible. 328 was originally black then painted red and then I believe it was painted back to black. I have seen the pictures of a car at the factory restoration facility in red with primer on it, and also pictures showing a convertible in black being restored. Converting a coupe into a convertible to match the touring body 325 and 328 would entail quite a bit of work, starting from the door post back they are completely different than the coupe. If you look at most of the conversions. They are using a 400 2+2 as a starting point. They make minimum modifications to the doors, quarter panel etc. They are nice-looking cars but definitely not a close reproduction of the 350 GTS body. I hope someone chimes in to find out about 160 as I am very curious also. Bob Huber
+1 Telaio #0325 Motore #0304 , nocciola metallizzato nitro exterior with testa di moro interior, delivered to Kaplan New York on March 30, 1966 Telaio #0328 Motore #0283 , nero acrilico exterior with verde interior, delivered to Odin Madrid on March 26, 1966 These are the only 2 factory delivered spiders, all other GT (2-seat & 2+2) were originally delivered as coupé.
This ad was posted on another forum few years ago. 350GTS #0325 for sale in Road & Track February 1979. Image Unavailable, Please Login
I don't believe #0160 was or is a spider, probably the confusion started in the early eighties when both cars were owned by Sheik Altani (#0160 as a 350GT Coupé and #0328 as a 350GT Spider). This would support the theory that the black car at factory in 1982 was indeed #0328 and not #0160. I was told #0160 is now for sale at Carugati in Swiss: Carugati Automobiles SA
Hi, That makes a lot of sense about the confusion of 160. That's very interesting about the ad road track 325 as it states the owner is Ed Ulrich. I think the registry states that he is the owner of 328? So, we don't know who is the owner of 328 or where it is? I read in an article that 328 destroyed in the 1980s. That could have been said to pump up the existing 325 as the only one. I don't know? Here is ad for 328 with hardtop in 1980 (painted red) Bob Huber Image Unavailable, Please Login
I don't know about the VINs, but one is for sure, that black car in Bologna wasn't one of the original 350GTS. This is the VIN plate of the black car in Bologna, obviously the engine is #1395 and the VIN begins with #01xx. Perhaps I get a better picture later. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Here's another thread I could dig up about the spyders: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/lamborghinichat-com-sponsored-lamborghini-houston/320187-lamborghini-gt-spyder-circa-1960s.html It shows some pictures for #0325 at Al Burtoni's shop when it was under restoration. #0328 is probably still alive and in US but so far no one who has a hard proof. Maybe it wasn't that bad idea to call Hercule Poirot for the story behind #0328
