Replicas, why bother ??

Back to Ferrari replicas...

What about the Dino 156 Sharknose? The original is long gone....

 

"Since most ancient bronze statues have been lost or were melted down to reuse the valuable metal, Roman copies in marble and bronze often provide our primary visual evidence of masterpieces by famous Greek sculptors. All the marble statues in the central area of the Mary and Michael Jaharis Gallery at the Metropolitan Museum are copies made during the Roman period"

Ok lets try this for size.

Since most 1960s racing cars were destroyed and generaly used up by the year 2100, all the classic racing cars seen today are recreations made from blueprints created by those vsionary enthusisasts in the early 21st century who sought to preserve wonderful machinrary not just in static form but also in mecanical use. Today in the year 2150 it is rumored that a few owners of the $ 1 billion dollar orginal 250 swb ferraris run the motor and drive the car on occasion, although this cannot be verified and it is doubtful as all value today is in maintaing preservation.

The best car meuseum curator now lament that the most classic of all cars in meuseums are in fact at best partialy original as subequent owners vintage raced the original pieces replacing used parts and crashing untill the early to mid 21st century proved this folly.

We are lucky in the 22nd century to have a vibrant racing scene of exact classic recreations. Historic data indicates that these types of machines have not been driven with such verve since the late 20th century as even then costs of originals prohibited extreme use.

In other news Mobil reports that production of algae based fuel for Ic motors is sufficient to meet the needs of the vintage hobby, still numbering ove 2 million cars worldwide.

In some ways in the 22nd century we are fortunate to have facilities such as raceland where you can store and run your vintage Ic car. Raceland enterprises reports that they have finished their 20km unrestricted autobhan loop, and the the mountain pass road now has a tail of the dragon section. For those more interested in cruising classic americana the downtown section features an authentic drive in diner copied on the one in the movie american garffiti as well as an authentic 1950;s drive in movie theatre.

We also report that the movement to replicate electronics and code in order to run 21st century IC cars is making progress, although there are so many sensors to replicate and write cde for each one specfic to a manufacturer and model that this effort may still take time.

Progress is also being made to allow non robotised IC cars to do a special city to city run sometime int he future.

 

Or lancia D50?

 

Why do you incessantly post on the GT40 forum if you hate replicas so much? The next time you post there I will make sure to follow up with your quote from above. Asshat!

 

I don't post there. I have no idea what you're talking about.

I think your language is a bit over the top.

I'm sorry you disagree with me. I'm a designer. I don't like people ripping me off and saying it's victim-less crime.

Someone is stealing from someone else when you knock off an original. That, my friend, is the truth.

 

Please enlighten us... what did you ever create that someone wanted to knock off?

Let's say you invented something. And, it has a chance to be a hit. Then, some guy in Mexico or China or Iceland knocks you off and you are left with nothing.

Still think it's OK? I suppose you won't "speak out" because it's like speaking out against human nature?

It's so easy for non-creative people to accept the theft of someone else's ideas because they never had a single idea in their lives worth knocking off.

I fight knock offs, copy cats, and idea theft every single day. When did you ever face that?

Oh, I know... never. Yah, and you're the expert in the field.


Yah know... I've decided to knock of and "replicate" Napolis' P4/5 and sell them as my own. Jim, you wouldn't mind, would you? I only want to make a few hundred copies. It's "human nature".

 

That's why I typed "free world". As a matter of fact I'm right now watching "Heroes". Problem is that many have copied his style and that should make him mad too.

I play my own music, I paint, and thought of writing a book... I have people saying post on YouTube. I rather not have a YouTube audience than having people slow down my playing and copy my chops.

One thing is to be influenced by another artist and another is to steal.

The first thing I ever tried to paint was La Gioconda, and I rather hang that in my house than an almost perfect reproduction.

 

It's really quite special when the two or three real GT40's run the streets around detroit. There are a few more that are real here, but only two or three regularly run out there.

It's too bad some people can't tell the difference between a real Cobra and a replica/continuation/ etc.

While a replica GT40 is surely fun, and faster than an original, in no way is it better than a FGT, or the real deal.

 

I can certainly understand arguments against fakes/replicas but to some extent do not care. I own a few...Kraftwerks 917, Kirkam Cobra, SPG GT40...plus several "real" cars. I have always loved the 917 and GT40 and would dream about driving them on a track as well as on the street / open roads in Kansas. Do I pass them off as real? Never. Are they a blast to drive? Absolutely...which is all I care about.

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I would have to respectfully disagree with you here... an SPF GT40 is 2x more fun than a Ford GT.

Brian

 

sweet!!!!! all of them!!!!

 

Your a funny guy!

Shelby won his lawsuit yet started building what are basically a replica of the original Cobra yet he owned the rights thus he was allowed to continued the S/N #'s. Are they original Cobra's simply because he won the right in court, no they are not no matter what spin you put on it.

 

Yes they are real Shelby Cobras, Why wouldn't they be? I think the later cars were considered continuation cars. They are real Cobras because they were built by the real Carol Shelby. He abandoned the car long ago but saw the money people were making off the design and wanted back in. This stuff about what's real or fake is pretty basic.

 

Beautiful cars! Love the SPG GT40!

 

Shelby is a unique case. He's LUCKY he won back the rights from those who STOLE it from him in the first place.

 

Reminds me of when Mopar lost control of their name because people started using it so much without any challenge from Chrysler. Years later when they finally saw the value in the name, they tried to rein in all the misuse but by then it was too late. They had let it go on for too long.

 

Ford lost the name GT-40 and had to call their new car the Ford GT.

 

Luke Warmwater banned for 48 hours for name-calling.

Mike

 

I have had products which I have designed copied by the Chinese and its incredibly annoying. I have got hold of the copies and examined them and admired the skill that went into the reverse-engineering and copying but that doesnt make it any better.

If someone has the skill and is going to all the trouble and expense of building a car why dont they create a new design, even if it might be inspired by an existing car, rather than copying someone elses? That would gain far more respect.

 

I think you are far too intelligent to have missed his point, so I assume you are being obsequious becasue copies are a raw nerve for you.

Has copying the bible reduced its pleasure for owners or ots deireability?

Its theft if there is a current design from which the original designer manufacturer still produces the item. Once out of production(and in the case of cars, never to be produced again) there is no harm in a few copies being made. In fact copies if done properly enhance the desire for the original and drive prices up.

If the Mona Lisa were not teplicated in pictures and books, if people only ever heeard about it, how many do you think would feel compelled to see the original, what value would the original have.

What you are sir is an elitist snob. You derive some meaning from the financial value of a car, focus more instead on what it is and how it drives, you may discover that it takes driving one more than 500 miles to discover what it is. Just as you can be a far better lover and visa versa in a long term relationship than a Ky jelley condon stup with a hooker. Just a thought.

Since I know you are far too intelligent to be stuck on this theme as you are, try seeing the other side. A weel executed recreation in small numbers is not the same thing as a Beetle or GM powered pl;astic fantastic with more or less the same line ruining the frshness of the shape. A recreation that did not chop up another car harms nobody, recreating a no longer in production design in small quantities harms no manufacturer. Reacreations cost 300k plus their number will never be great. As to owners of originals they have rcreations too, that is oif they like to drive.

Focus more ont what the machine is rather than what it reperesents. I see you have afiat 124 so I assume you get it.

Yes if you are a muisician inventor scientist and develop something for as long as the trademark is good if someoen copys it its theft. But that is not the case here, these are long abandonded designs. As to Shelby, he did own the cobra name. He would not have gone back intot he cobra buisness had the work not been done by others in making it popular, just as Shelby sued the Shelby registry who kept it all alsive.

A SPF cobra is licensed by shelby, but other than and oultine of a cobra it is far more inauthentic than a kirkham or an ERA. Shelbu also licensed the Cobra coupe by SPF, it in no way is the same as a cobra coupe other than facile resemblance in looks. Arguably the only real AC cobras that have been made since the 60's were those made by Brian Anglais when he owned AC. Remember the aluminum car made by AC in the Uk into which you put a ford engiine. What makes a Cobra a Cobra is how its made, not when or where. Is something a cobra a cobra because shelby says so, or is it the nature of the machine.

I guess we have differing viewpoints here, to you its all about licensing, even if the original design is dead. Or you just dont like replication, even when aston did Sanction 2 zagataos, but suddenly if SHelby does it its ok.

SAo I assume that as Safir spares has the licese for the GT40, and as they have licessed the SPF gt40 it is ok, no theft and its a very geuine GT40? Or is ther something deeper I am not getting and you are having trouble expressing, like owners of 60's builds think their value will go even higher if there are no new builds, and its all about helping auction houses drive prices ever higher.

BTW the cobra coupe got reckognition amongst the "investors" after all the noise created by the SPF and factory 5 versions, which ironicaly led to a reord auction price for and american car. I dont think the facile replicas hurt the original owners at all, it seems they helped it.
A shelby "continuation" in fiberglass is not even as good as an ERA.

 

Ferrarichat: You will never find a more wretched hive of pretentiousness and ******baggery.

Why do stereotypes always seem to be true...?

 

Looks like a blast

 

Do me a favor and never again read or buy any classic literature. All those books in the stores -- Dickens, Homer, Dostoyevsky, Shakespeare, Hemingway -- they are nothing more than copies. The publishers just take other people's hard work and sell it for themselves.

Also, I expect that you never go to see classical music performances or buy CDs. Yo-Yo Ma -- thief. All he does is play Bach's original work.

The difference is that Jim owns the rights to P4/5. Ferrari holds the rights to their cars, not the owners. Owners are entitled to nothing. All they did was cut a check, and not even to Ferrari for that matter. Don't like seeing replicas? Take it up with Ferrari. Maybe they'll care about some guy commissioning a replica, maybe they won't.

Doesn't really matter what the owners think or how they are affected because they have no right to any of it.