Replicas, why bother ??

Do you realize the limited scope of your arguments? You only speak of low quality replicas. You try to prove your point by limiting your scope to crappy replicas.

I could argue that old Ferraris are crap if all I' going to do is consider burned out, wrecked cars rusting away in junkyards.

The thread was not about whether crappy replicas are crap. It's just about replicas.

 

No, retard, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that it's hypocritical to preach the virtue of law but not follow all of them.

I admit that I value certain laws more than others, and I follow the ones I choose. However, what I do not do is resort to "it's the law."

 

So a 355 built from scratch using all oem parts is a fake but a car restored from a scrap pile and a vin tag using fabricated parts is real? Makes no sense at all, but at least I understand the arbitrary line.

 

It's cool people want to build and drive high performance cars, but why not do it in an original way of your own design? Don't ride on some manufactures coattails and try to make a car something it is not. I have a lot of respect for the small builders out there that do their own thing. It's funny, I don't see anyone replicating them? Are the names to unknown and passers buy would not recognize the brand?

 

In any event as we have established 90+% of recreations break no law. The law mayor has trouble with is the marketing law in his mind of projecting wealth through brands and labeling.

In any event how many new ferraris or nearly new ones and other exotics on the west coast are finances leased etc. So what does a 458 say about its driver.

In 10% of the cases it may imply a love of performance machineary and the money to use it reoperly on say a track or froegn land or maybe Montana. These ones are also usualy not red or with sheilds.

In 90% of cases we see some rich person, or person with acess to finance, who wants everyone to know they have money, who gets off on valets reposecting them for their car. maybe they like to project sportyness and speed danger, so they really need the sheilds on the car just in case you missed it, and of course A rolx chrono for those fast lap times circa 1968. Mostly these are people who really cant drive for crap so paddleshift is a boon. People who like the new ferraris because thye drive like any old hyundais so they can handle it. Who might floor it in 3rd gear to redline on a straight road for a thirll.

Frankly I hate being associated with people like that just because I too own a ferrari. To me such people are an anatehema to everything a DRIVER and lover of machineary stands for, but I tolerate it as part of the larger automotive club. After all whthout such buyers where would the volume come from to keep developing grreat machines. Too bad they have corrupted the whole process where value is $$$ as oppsed to the driving experience.

 

The small builders are not copied yet, because they are still in production. But if you look at a weisman its a copy or pastiche of various older cars namely a healy. We aslo see some small builders like Ginetta bringing back older desigfns because there is aarket for it. We also see a Lotus seven in production by a company licensed to do so. I dont think Catherham drivers are poseurs or thier cars "fakes" Try drive one if you are able.

I am pretty sure if Ferrari offered a mdern equivalent of aGTO there would be hardly any recreations built. Its not about wanting aGTO to project anything. Its about wanting to have a sublime viceral beautiful car to drive. And since the blueprint for a GTo already exists why reinvent the wheel.

 

Actauly I have bever seen any type of GTo running around town. The person I know with a real one runs it in pretty exclusive eevents and uses his allegretti recreation of one(500K) for very fast road runs and trackday fun.

But I get it, you run around town an a car, its how you project yourself, you cant comprehend a larger purpose.

 

+1

But like all intolernats from the right or the left, he ignores the parts he doesent like so as to remain idelogicaly pure and not be sullied by intellect.

 

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I don't have my suits made based on some new, boundary pushing design. Why try to do it with a car you already like the form of? Not to mention that designing, building, and engineering are vastly different skills.

 

Ok so if I can show you how my SPF GT40 is under license, which it is, then its all good by you? Same with Catherham or any number of Cobra reps. Those are Ok and valid. or you still have aprobelm as you have stated multiple times because someone who no one gives a crap about and doesent know cars anyway might think you can affiord a 3 million car when yours only cost 200k. Seriously who cares what starngers think, i dont need self validation from the car I drive, maybe thats why mu main daily is achevy. In theory you own the car for your driving enjoyment, if its for some other eason, whether it be a new car, copy or autentic old buuild you are a posuer. I am willing to bet that far more replica owners have their car for the pure drive pleasure than new ferrari owners do, but yeah i am sure a few get off on other people thinking its something its not..

 

If the manufacturer grants licence to someone, then they have given there blessing and that becomes part of the brands history for good or bad. The market will decide to what extent that involvement is or was and that will be reflected in the value. Just granting a licence so some company can put out fiberglass replicas will not result in a very sought after vehicle. An original manufacturer commissioning high quality replicas will result in a very desirable car. It's all about what the original manufacturer does as they write their own history, no one else does. All pretty standard really.

 

Exactly.

I need to sign off for a while. Can you babysit here?

It's FerrariChat and we've spent 487 posts explaining what a Ferrari is to people determined to make something fairly simple complicated.

 

Ok so we know Shelby has licesed a number of replica Cobras, some better than others. if you dont call it aCobra you are good to go because that is the trademark.

In the case of the SPF GT40 safir spares has the license for the GT40 name and apparently design. They have Licesed this to SPF which even come with a continuation number. Quite naturaly a SPF is worth less in $$$ than a 66 old build. But as its licesed and even has a continuation number, is built pretty much exactly the same, I guess you are Ok with it then?

To me as long as thie is no trademark infirngement, or better yet a licese permision and the car is accuratly built, its the same thing, just worth less $$ as it lacks period provenance, but as a car no less a machine.

 

Of course, because there are car enthusiasts and there are forum enthusiasts. Easy to tell which is which, just look at their post count. Same on every car forum. Time for a drive.

 

Very funny given the number of times I've been banned for "name calling"... You sir post more silliness than anyone I know on here.

 

It's all about the intellectual property and who owns it that makes a product legitimate or not. Anything done without this is considered fake, lame, crap, POS ect... ect... So in answer to your question, Yes if the builder of the SPF GT40 has gone through the proper channels then it is a car with some type of provenance but not "THE" provenance of the original. It will have it's place in history of the breed, if you will, with the market determining it's significance.

 

Please... equating the morality of buying a fake car to downloading a youtube clip?

Yah... not a silly post at all.


This thread seriously has me worried about the people who post on Fchat. I was under the delusion that most thought that copyright laws where something they would all respect.

I'm wrong. Most disappointing.

Copyright theft is theft. There is no other way around this.

Counterfeit goods are counterfeit and should be stamped out. This should be obvious to everyone.

There is no justification at all for driving around in a fake car other than you just like the looks and feeling of owning and being seen in the real thing -- but can't get a real one or afford it.


People may not like the truth, but these are truths. Don't blame the messenger.

 

If its under license, it's legit. It's just rather trashy. As to how well it's build, that makes no difference. I can make a fake Rolex with real diamonds but it's still a fake Rolex.

The destruction of one classic car to make another is just plain wrong.

 

These are your truths... nobody else's. Thanks for editing your post and removing the name calling. Not that I would expect you to be held to the same standard and banned like anyone else.

 

More name calling I see. As an SPF GT40 owner I find you to be offensive and ask the moderators to reign in your confrontational posting style.

 

LOL!!!!!

I'll say it again just to be clear.

IMO, if someone buys a fake car, that to me is trashy.


BTW: I did edit because I misread your post. I thought you said I have been banned. I realized that I misread the post and got rid of it. I'm sorry for misreading your post and I removed it ASAP as soon as I saw my error.

 

You call other people's property trash. You impugn those that have worked hard to take ownership of something they hold dear and yet you are allowed to do so without consequence. You are an offensive character that should not be allowed to roam freely and insult others on this site. Where are you moderators?

 

LOL!!!!!

How long have you been on Fchat? Have you seen the posts people say about the FF and California? Trash would be MILD!

My god.... you'd have to ban 90% of the people here!

 

Clearly as most can see by looking at the header of each of my posts, I have been here since 2009. I would suggest that you may be right and that banning you as an example might set the right tone around here and make it clear that the rules are applicable to not just a select few but to everyone.

 

Hold on mister!

I joined in '07 and have 12.6K post and you joined in '08 and you have almost 35K post, pot calling the kettle black??