Replicas, why bother ??

At that rate its ~20 posts per day for each and every day since 2008 wow. Its beginning to all make sense now. The unpleasant nature. The attacking of others assets. Is it possible that there is a basement under mom's apartment in play here? I'll offer you this mayor... come on out and I'll take you for a ride in my fake SPF GT40. I bet I can turn that frown upside down. You'll end up not posting nearly so much but you'll be a more rounded and happy individual to be around. What do you say?

 

Yes, let's stop people on a car forum for telling what they feel about cars.

Makes a lot of sense, unless you don't want to talk about the Nissan GT-r or Mac 12c or just about any other car ever mentioned in this forum.

 

I think you're misreading my post.

My point is not the number of posts. It's that he claims my "tone" is worth banning. Yet, how many posts in other sections routinely say worse -- and directly to other owners here?

Geez everyday someone calls the FF and California about every name under the sun. Since 2009 he's never seen people talk about these cars yet somehow, calling a fake car is trashy is "bannable" because his feelings where hurt?

Give me a break. 90% of all Fchatters would be banned if we used Mr. Warmwater's measuring stick.

 

Well certainly a ban would be totally unjustified and quite frankly I have always enjoyed, dare I say, looked forward to your interaction even if we disagree.

 

The fact that you refer specifically to the SPF GT40 as trash makes it abundantly clear you are not here to "talk about cars" but rather to insult and deride others who have worked hard to possess these great automobiles. That alone should be reason enough to revoke your posting privileges until you can learn to play nice and appreciate what others have strived for.

 

LOL!!!!!

Attacking someone else's assets? You did realize you're on a car forum and not Oprahchat.com, right? That has NEVER happened on Fchat, ever. Why no one here would dare say anything about another make of car that some here may own.

"I'm shocked, shocked that gambling is going on here!"

Thanks for the offer. I don't need to ride in a fake car to get my jollies. I'm happy for you but I don't think I'd like have to frown when answering someone who asks "Is that a real GT-40?" the truth.

That car may be a ton of fun to drive. No one says any differently. But, it's not a real one and I don't wear fake Rolex's to look important or rich. But, that's just me.

Blue jeans are just fine.

Mr. Warmwater --- you're intentionally bating me and we all know the game here you're trying to play. Can we just agree that you don't like me and move back to discussing the subject of this thread?

 

Nobody is bating you. You simply are unable to help yourself. Didn't your mother ever teach you that if you can't say anything nice then don't say anything at all? Using the terms fake and trash to describe what others have worked hard to own is offensive and you should be banned.

 

It's baiting. Unless of course you are masturs at it.

 

I barely know what a SPF whatever is, let alone call it out. You mentioned it.

I didn't say the car was "trash". I said the act of owning one was IMO trashy.

The act of owning a fake Rolex, fake handbag, fake DVD or fake whatever is also--- IMO, trashy.

There are plenty, PLENTY of people who say owning an F car is trashy. Just go over the a Corvette forum. And, if you want to get a laugh, see what they say about F cars and Fchatters on the Mac 12c forum. Trashy would be a compliment.

I don't need to drive in a fantasy world to make me happy. If some need that, good for them. Whatever gets you through the night.

Go for it. It's just not my cup of tea.

BTW: I don't like fake wood on the interiors of cars either: Trashy. Sorry '82 Town and Country drivers.
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LOL!!!!


It's a car forum, not dinner on Mother's day.

My apologies to all you fake (no, scratch that) "Imitation" Rolex wearers.

I'm sorry I used the word "fake" when describing your watch that is not made by the original manufacturer but pretends to be so that the owner can make it appear that he owns a real one without actually paying for it. I know you worked really hard to afford that "imitation" watch and I'm sorry if anyone was offended.

From now on, I will refrain from using "fake" and use the word "imitation" when describing these kinds of items.

Do you forgive me?

So, I'll rephrase my statement to make it more politically correct:

Wearing an "imitation" Rolex is just not "good form" IMO.

 

That's kind of weak lol

 

Forgive you? I feel sorry for you. Tell me how it is you have posted at least 20 times each and every day on here since 2008? I've barely posted what ten posts tonight and I am wore out and ready to turn off my computer for a week or two. Its like banging your head on a wall only you like it.

 

Replica owners now need moderators to protect there cars from other peoples opinions? I just don't understand this crowd at all. If you think what you got is cool, isn't that what you say is the only thing that matters! Other peoples opinions shouldn't matter, that is unless you are unsure about what you got.

 

Well, Mr Warmwater, you started this rather wasteful attack instead of staying on topic.

Sorry it wore you out. Maybe next time, staying on the subject would be less taxing.

 

I'm fine with it being open season and people saying whatever they like. My problem is the moderators allow some free reign to insult and belittle while seemingly ready to ban others at the slightest hint of a rule infraction. I'm still curious how one can post 35,000 times in their entire life let alone the last four years. You're on a car forum but do you even own a car? When do you find time to drive it?

 

Jesus Christ, you said it yourself!

So yes, there is an equality between buying a fake car and listening to music illegally. Metallica didn't give a **** about you driving around in a replica Ferrari, but they sure as hell did care about you downloading their music.

You obviously don't care about listening to unlicensed music without paying for it. Why should other people care about buying unlicensed car design?

LOL. Melodramatic enough? You think people on Fchat give a crap about copyright laws? You don't think they download MP3s and torrent files of TV shows? Where the hell do you think all the US people watch new Top Gear/Fifth Gear episodes? You don't think they've downloaded missed episodes of Game of Thrones?

 

Late to the party. I personally love the replicas/reproductions built on Ferrari chassis with Ferrari drive train etc. That 250 LM sold in the UK a few years ago was superb. The SWB being built by DK is gorgeous. The TRC build by DK in the 80-90s is also beautiful.
Or the 250 TR being discussed in the vintage section. It's gorgeous. Maybe not 100% correct but more than good enough to look beautiful and with the chassis and engine from a 250 PF coupe it's a real Ferrari.

Now, why buy one? Well because they must be a blast to drive, because it looks amazing, must sound amazing and yes, not everyone can shell $20m for the real thing. I dont think that makes the buyer a dork. Not more than anyone who buys any Ferrari for the pleasure of driving the thing.

As for the theft argument, well there are a lot of very significant Ferraris that were at one time rebuilt/restored by people who have no connections with Ferrari Spa. What does that make them? They took sheet of metal and hammered them to make them look like the original car once again..

 

On the other hands, replicas made on Chevy or Toyota chassis are usually awful. I guess it becomes more of a labor of love thing or for the real poser who wants to pretend. I dont like them but these guys are real car nuts. They spend a lot of money and time for a questionable result but it seems to float their boat so why not. I guess i have more respect for these guys than for those who own amazing Ferraris with less than 1000 miles on their odo after a couple of years.

 

You can't honestly believe that, can you? What if Ferrari announced tomorrow that they consider any car that had been restored by anyone other than Ferrari to be a fake and worthless in their eyes?

Would you now think all restored cars are fake/crap/POS?

 

I've debated commenting here since, as a newbie to Fchat, I'm not too eager to get in the middle of a heated debate... but I thought I'd risk sharing a few observations from an outside perspective as I neither own a Ferrari (yet) nor a replica of any car.

There are really a few distinct issues here, and it's obvious the "priority" of these issues is different for different people:

1. The legal issue of a replica

2. The motivation of the replica owner

3. The authenticity of the replica

On the first topic - legality of the replica - I'd suggest this is simple. If you've built a replica that uses the trademark, logo, and/or patented technology (design or utility) of a company and it's not licensed, you're breaking the law. Whether you value intellectual property laws may be another story, but it's pretty cut-and-dry. They're in-place to keep folks from benefiting from the investments, R&D, and brand reputation of others. There are time limitations on patents, of course, and the law may be more forgiving when a replica is created for private use versus with the intent to sell a product, mass-produce, or deceive the market. If the replica is licensed or authorized by the company holding the IP (trademarks, logos, patents, etc), then it's perfectly legal - a non-issue.

On the second issue - motivation of the owner - this is where a good deal of the emotional debate seems to kick-in. As we all learned in grade school, generalizations about large groups of people tend to be wrong (stereotyping). The motivation of an individual creating a Fiero 355 versus one creating a high-quality replica of a GTO are unlikely to be the same. In some cases, the motivation may be to simply "pose" and deceive people for the thrill of it. In other cases it may be for the raw enthusiasm for a classic automobile that's unlikely to EVER be had, money aside. I'd therefore argue that it's impossible to generalize about the motivations of a replica owner. I'd also suggest it just doesn't matter. What motivates someone to buy a 348 over a 355, or a 575 over a 550? Or God forbid, they buy a 911 over an Fcar! If someone derives joy from what they're driving (and they're doing it legally), more power to them IMO... their motivations are their own, and don't need to be judged by others.

Finally, the authenticity of the car. The literal definition may be a car that came directly from the factory with a VIN - at least that's the way the DMV or a collector may look at it. But is a car, pieced together with factory parts outside of the factory, by an enthusiast, any less authentic? If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is there to hear it, does it make a sound? My take? If it's made of Ferrari parts, put together to Ferrari designs and Ferrari specifications, it's a Ferrari. If it just looks like a Ferrari, but it's a combination of Chevy parts... well, that's obviously not a Ferrari.

In any case, I think the saying, "to each his own" is appropriate here. I have a lot of respect for people who are able to create impressive replicas of cars that we otherwise could only enjoy in a museum. I also get a good chuckle seeing a Fiero 355 from time to time. But neither is probably worth a 500-post debate.

 

Actually, a really good and well thought out post.

But, a car put together with a combination of parts outside the factory is not the same as inside the factory.

If someone could find every single original part to a 250 GTO and put together a "new" one but not have a VIN number from the factory, it would never be considered "the same" as those made at the factory -- even if it were "better".

You can appreciate the effort but it just isn't "the same" and never will be.

 

And it doesnt really matter. Even original Ferraris arent the same anymore as the day they left the factory. Either because their body has been hammered by shop XYZ or because the engine has been rebuilt by Marcelo Sport's cars. But they do have one thing in common with these reproductions, they are a blast to drive and for the most part to look at.

 

I agree with all however like in Bagger Vance. "...but I would know, Harley. " (take the stroke and play on)

 

Bullfighter, why did Ferrari get so annoyed with Pininfrina when they found out about the JG car then? I think they considered it stealing from the lineage (future?)

 

Sorry have we found out that it is illegal to recreate a 250GTO for example? I was not aware we'd found this to be a fact. I think there are time limits.