New 458 Scuderia is coming

Even though I haven't driven the F12 yet, I'm pretty sure I'll be a lot happier with the 458 'Scuderia'. I want a small, light, nimble, pure, bare, noisy supercar, not a large, comfortable, luxurious GT which also happens to be incredibly capable and fast. I've spend a lot of time driving a 599 GTO and 'normal' 458 back-to-back, as flat-out as (safely) possible, on winding mountain roads in Europe and had a lot more fun in the latter. That might be due to my (limited) driving skills, but so be it.

And I'm fine waiting until Spring, not that I have an alternative, obviously. I'll get the 991 GT3 in September to keep me entertained whilst waiting for my first F car...

 

Yes I hope to have it before the end of the year...and I m pretty sure I ll never sell it either

 

I m also looking for a good 360CS. Very different car to the Scuderia, more raw but less capable.
As I said in my post it is all a matter of personal opinion. I am sure other members rate V12 Ferraris above the Scuderia and I m totally OK with that. we all expect different things from the cars we drive
I still love the 328GTB I owned back in 1996 and it is not such a great driver's car...To me it is special though...

 

Seriously? The name would put you off buying what will be probably the best car in it's class? I wouldn't car if the car was called Stewart to be honest, it's still going to be an incredible car if the 360CS and the 430 Scuderia are anything to go by.

 

Do people who don't currently own Ferraris really think they're going to get a chance to get a Scuderia-type version when/if Ferrari makes one? It's been my experience that those are usually offered to existing owners and require one to trade a fairly new Ferrari in to qualify. That doesn't mean you won't be able to acquire one someday on the open market, or used from a dealer, but the idea you can just walk in and order one just by putting a deposit down seems to contradict what actually happens with these types of vehicles. When they get an allocation for these cars I expect my dealer to start calling their most recent customers looking to trade those allocations for recent-model used Ferraris.

I know people think there's some sort of "trade me your Ferrari or you won't get to order a new one" racket but think about it for a minute... Ferrari dealers generally get very few new order allocations and certainly less than they can sell. If they don't give those allocations mainly to people trading in existing Ferraris then they will run out of Ferrari inventory and then they're not really Ferrari dealers but rather just order takers.

So if you want a 458 Scud, buy something now to trade for it. Best thing would be a used 458 Spider or FF. You're going to be competing with people who own those for Scud allocations.

 

This has to be one of the least thought out post on Fchat? How many ferraris have you traded? How many have you bought new? Do you have ANY knowledge on buying Ferraris???

 

And the coolest part about the scud BY FAR is the back!!

 

In some markets, the UAE being one, yes. Unless the dealer has been wholeheartedly lying to me for the last 9 months...

Isn't that exactly what they are, again, in most parts of the world? Apart from a demo for each model (if you're lucky), there is very little to no "inventory" since everything is 'made to order' anyway?

But then again, what do I know as a Ferrari rookie? You gotta start somewhere, right, and call me arrogant, but I don't want to start with a 'normal' 458, regardless how mind-blowing it is and how much I liked it in all my earlier experiences with that car. I want to go for the 'Scuderia' and until now, the dealer seems to see me (probably based on my history of other car purchases) as somebody who could get one allocated.

 

Hahaha... You guys are so funny! Paying a premium for used spiders.... Waiting years for a new car... It's just cars!

Just talked to my dealer last weekend, a new F12 would arrive in 2-3 months and of course I could get a new 458 LaScuderia without problems.

Greetings from Germany...

 

Only in the US does that kind of bull**** happen. No problem getting cars anywhere else in the world it seems.

 

100% true... Dealers in Europe ask questions before they give you one of the first cars (I did have to provide some data), but if you re prepared to wait, there should be no problem getting a 458 Scuderia. The UK is a small exception (owing to high demand) but Ferrari Germany are terrific. I also bought my 599GTO there and had a fantastic experience dealing with them

Some of the things I ve read on US dealers here on FChat make me cringe. They border on the unbelievable and -if true- send the wrong message about Ferrari to prospective clients.

 

That's the difference between Europe and the USA - Enjoy

 

After 12 years and 7 New Ferrari's bought at list price in 2008 my dealer decided
that he was going to charge me a 50K premium for a 599 Which I ended up paying.
But I will NEVER do it again.He tried again when the 458 launched but I refused
Then finaly he took my spider order for list price and I still had to wait 2 years

 

Could you describe how resale values are holding up for the 458 in Germany and/or elsewhere in Europe?

 

They are holding well for UK. It is all relative. Similarly specced MP4 and 458: 2 years old. 5000 miles. 458- £25k to £35k off list. MP4 roughly £60-70k or more off list from what I have seen. The spiders are holding better for both cars.

Take a look at autotrader.co.uk

What I find astounding is that in America people tend to be more worried about mileage covered and resale value rather than driving them- this is a very very broad generalisation by which I mean no harm. Personally, I do not get the concept of buying a car, keeping it 6 months, driving 500 miles and selling on....

 

If I convert prices to USD they are probably a tad less than in the US, but most cars have higher milage than what I see here on Fchat. Dunno what original MRSPs were in EUR so I can't give percentages. 16M's seem to hold value quite well.

599 coming from Italy are practically free cars (MY 2009 for 100-120k EUR, around 280-300k EUR new).

 

Excuse my ignorance but i thought initially the 458 was so good no higher level model or "Scuderia" is coming?

 

Personal experience: Bought 2 used, traded one, bought one new. Have several very close friends with vastly more Ferrari buy/sell/trade activity over many years who would happily vouch for it working the same way.

However... to be clear this is a North America & UK-centric view as my experience with Ferrari (and friends' experiences with Ferraris) come only from those territories. In other markets you might be able to walk into a Ferrari dealer, put a little money down and get their Scuderia-type allocation that dealer has. That's not generally how it works in these territories because in these demand for new models heavily outstrips supply.

In North America Ferrari keeps a tight rein on dealers and insists they don't sell new car allocations for higher than list price. So the way the dealer makes money is getting more Ferraris into their inventory (i.e. used cars) where those restrictions don't apply.

 

I don't considered customer-ordered cars to be inventory because those are already sold. By inventory I meant inventory of used Ferraris. If you're a Ferrari dealer and have zero Ferraris to sell then you're really just a Ferrari order taker. Their inventory are used cars. If they don't do things to ensure they have an inventory of used cars then they don't have much of a sales business.

 

Sorry I should have been more clear that this is a North American & UK perspective.

Everyone here writes so well in English that I just forget some times how international this crowd is!

 

You're excused

Most of us have expected this car. And, iirc, it was on the model introduction PowerPoint slide that the CEO showed a few years back.


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I think the fax machine is putting some pressure on them and there is quite a demand for a raw version of the 458 so married men can leave their wives at home and have fun with their cars alone.