Has F1 outgrown Monaco

Granted Lotus made it work.

 

Monaco is one of my favorite races of the year. Who cares about the passing, watching the drivers negotiate that course is mesmerizing. The cars have absolutely outgrown Monaco, that's what makes it exhilarating.

It's also not going anywhere, so this whole conversation is moot.

 

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Without history we have not records to beat, we have nothing. Ferrari is what it is, not because they make okay road cars but because of their racing and road car history. Just like F1 without Ferrari would be nothing, F1 without heritege would be hollow.

Weird. I get a heck of a lot more enjoyment out of watching the brilliance of the drivers glancing the walls at Monaco than watching any other track.

I assume you've raced cars?. Don't you get a connection with their ability and find Monaco captivating to watch?

The only reason I occassionally watch F1 now is because I used to club race cars and have an appreciation of what is really going on in those cars and how they are actually sliding around it just does not often look like it because they are so fast. If I did not have that appreciation I would not be remotely interested in F1 ... it would be as boring as watching cricket.

I have no idea why other people watch F1, people that have never driven a car at 10 to 11/10ths ... what is in it for them?
Pete

 

Exactly!!

Pete

 

Racing karts is the purest form of racing IMO, so we are on the same page there.

I guess we have no where to move but to agree to disagree. To me there is no other track remotely like Monaco in those 18 others. By the way I put that ? because I didn't understand your point.

My point was that with these modern cars they look like they are on rails with only tiny variations on this. If you haven't raced, I don't think you would notice this and appreciate how close they are to their limit. All you see is a car effortlessly going around a corner.

I will forever be confused why some don't like Monaco.
Best
Pete

 

I was referring this apparent non-sequitur (post #185):

Vizsla:
"The Race of Two Worlds turned out to be a contest between different types of cars more than anything else."

You:
"Yep and after Clark's win a front engined car never won the race again. He and Lotus showed the way forward and changed Indy forever."

 

Thats what I feel. Its not a race. Its a glam event for those who are glam. Nothing close to being a race.

 

Since I was about 12 years old I've watched F1, admittedly more passionately than I do now (only occasional race now as it is boring), but my point is qualifying has ALWAYS been more interesting to watch than the race.

90% of the time on any track a F1 race is a procession. Okay there have been some great ones like 1994 Adelaide, but genuinely the car that has the pace in qualifying has the pace in the race and can tactically engineer a win.

In qualifying though you see the drivers go right and sometimes over the edge, fantastic to watch.

Now we have the farcical DRS and tyres that fall apart to try and make the race interesting. It's not, a DRS pass is not a pass, it is not interesting at all ... As challenging as passing somebody on a multi lane highway.

F1 races have always been about the potential for a pass not necessarily the number of passes that makes race interesting, and thus Monaco has just as much action, because the guy pushing can force the leader into a mistake, a clip of the wall, etc.

Therefore a Monaco race is not just follow the leader. The fact that you all think it is shows how highly skilled these drivers are and should be greatly admired not scorned.
Pete

 

So your criticism has nothing to do with the actual track and on track events ... Btw cars cannot out grow a track. As I've said before the designers are supposed to design the cars to suit the season and they do run Monaco versions

You hate it for other reasons (anti super rich or something?), fair enough I guess but not a good reason to remove it from the calendar.
Pete

 

99% of F1 races are boring. If you want to watch exciting races you don't watch F1, you go out to your local club circuit and see some real racing.

Monaco is not the reason F1 is boring. I'll stop here and let's let this thread die. Last comment, if we were to banish tracks due to boring races there would be no races ... F1 is not quality motor racing (Bernie killed that).
Pete

 

F1 is boring like chess is boring.

 

Ive never watched a chess game ... I've got breathing to fill my time with . Playing is not watching ...
Pete

 

F1 is boring like ballet is boring.

 

Really?

Even allowing for typical (expected ) Aussie exaggeration, that's a little extreme, don't ya think?......

I'll go with one "great" race & a 2-3 "good ones" per year. So, maybe 60-70%ish are "boring".

Then, what's "boring" mean to you?....... I, personally, enjoy watching a masterful, dominant drive. Plenty of other stuff happening back thru the field to keep me interested.

Boring? Not to me.

Debatable. [Been there, done that. ]

I find that terribly sad.

Why do you follow it?.....

Cheers,
Ian

 

I don't really anymore. I do enjoy qualifying which is often televised now.

And a Formula Ford race leaves F1 for dead, now that is real racing. But I said I was leaving this thread so bye .
Pete

 

Don't forget that Spa was originally run on public roads. A street circuit can be very fast.

 

Fair enough. Although, even there some claim it's all contrived!.... The "purists" would rather watch an empty track for an hour or so than the current (exciting!) Q1,2,3 format of today.

Again, you're of course entitled to your opinion. I beg to differ.

I'll concede "fun" racing - They're falling off, spinning, bouncing into each other, riding up over each others wheels and so on. They're close. Great stuff. In the same kind of way Taxicab racing can be fun!

But, they're slower than molasses, make virtually no noise and have short races. And they certainly don't bring you (me at least!) out in goose bumps when they first appear.

Cheers,
Ian

 

Let's look back at an article describing that exact race and though I was never a big Senna fan when he was alive, the sheer brilliance of his 1992 drive cannot be denied..
Ironically Nigel Mansell was managing editor of Formula 1 magazine back then!
Surely one his most cunning and physically exhausting, manual gear lever, no power steering, ect.
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