David Piper restores the Talacrest P4

Makes you wonder if he is laughing when he writes this stuff because I am usually laughing when I read it.

No one can legitimize the creation of a replica - doesn't matter who they are or what they did in the past.

>8^)
ER

 

Very well put!

 

Huh?

Am I missing something? I don't see the logic.

 

Sold out, that's for sure.


via rubber ducky

 

Neither do I. That last one completely threw me off, I have to say....

 

You're not missing anything, you can't see what's not there.

Nobody doubts the vast knowledge DP has on the subject, it only begs the question what his motivation is. The answer to that question is also rather obvious.

In the end we'll see what the price of fake is, and establish to what level fake is acceptable to at least 1 person with some cash burning in his pocket.

Best,

Jack.

 

Was that Thompson Speedway, George, the stock car oval track that built a road circuit extension in the early 1950s? Somewhere I still have photos I took there in 1953-54 of Miles Collier's father racing, I believe, a 2 liter Maserati A6GCS, John Fitch in a Cunnigham Jaguar D-type, George Constantine in an Aston Martin DBR-1, oh my!

 

From I believe Thompson
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that is certainly Thompson, the wire screens tell the tale. nice 2-liter Mondial, odd color scheme.

 

A friend took it and his memory isn't sharp as to the specifics.

Neither are some of his pics.

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I really don't think David Piper would appreciate the use of the word "fake" Everyone knows what 0858 was originally.The details of what it will be when this restoration is done is yet to be known. However with D P and Talacrest in charge, the final product should be as close to the original P4 as is possible. That's the way it's going to be. You can eather get with the program or bail out.Critisizing the master's efforts before the product is completed does not speak well for anyone. tongascrew

 

I went to school in Pomfret about 15 miles from Thompson. We used to get one of our teachers to load up the bus and take us over.Later I raced a Morgan +4 there twice. More challenging than Lime Rock. tongascrew

 

This picture is taken across from the pits. The car is about to enter the right hand banking of the oval. tongascrew

 

Thanks.
I'll send that along to my friend.

 

Unique it certainly was.A complete failure after three Can Am races it also was.They knew it then.We know it now.If you want one of the few great real Ferrari P4s to be remembered as a second rate CanAm failure go ahead.Noone ever is going to convince me otherwise. It no different from the Ferrari efforts at Indy. tongascrew

 

Ok go ahead and tell David Piper to cut up 900.900a and 900b. It won't get you anything but ridicule from those far more involved and experienced with the subject of the Ferrari P series. I don't claim to be one. I do respect the opinions of most who are expert on the subject. tongascrew

 

Looks like you are. But until you come to understand where David Piper stands in the provenance of the Ferrari you will continue to not see the logic. tongascrew

 

As far as I know David Piper has no monetary involvement in the 0858 project. It appears his involvement is only as a consultant. I am sure if he had reason to disagree with the Talacrest program we would know and he wouldn't be involved. Apparently no one with the means or the knowledge wants to go with the CanAm option.I wonder why?????? tongascrew

 

George,
I've read your posts on many threads for quite a while. I've always found them informed, interesting and expressed with authenticity.
I have a general idea of Piper's role in Ferrari history and do not see that his interests and those of the marque have always coincided. It sounds like you're asking us to trust him to do the right thing based on past performance and I don't see why.
You've never seemed to be one to simply take things on faith on other issues so you'll understand if I don't do so now.

Piper has the right to do what he wants and to run his business as he sees fit. Others have the right to differ.

 

What do you mean 'why'? The wanted too much. Jim was in with a sound offer. And he certainly has the means and the knowledge.

If the the car doesn't attrack enough money as a genuine 350 Canam, how on earth will it attrack more money as a questionable P4?

 

Maybe...just maybe...the actual owner wants the car, which after all is his property, made into a P4. Maybe he believes that when Talacrest sell the car on his behalf it will make more money than as a Can Am car......We can all moan about it if we dont like the idea but 99% of us couldn't afford either so is it really our business ?

I learned a lot about P4's from the initial informative posts but now this subject is getting boring and well past its sell by date...

 

Those who can, own
Those who can't, kibitz.

 

Paul

You can't make an original 350 Can Am into an Original P4. That is fact.

The owner has paid to turn an original 350 Cam Am into a Piperised 350 Can Am fitted with an incorrectly made replica P4 body.

He believes this desecration will result in more coin flowing to him.

He may find a buyer who agrees with him or this car already on offer for a long time during it's Piperised butchering may remain unsold for even a longer time as this car, who some have referred to as an "abortion" is as you put it is "well past its sell by date..." as well.

As it's likely that another original 350 Can Am previously fitted with a correctly made replica P4 body will be coming on the market soon potential buyers who covet Piperised replica P4 bodied 350 Can Am's will have no trouble buying one.

Those who want an original P4 however are SOL.

Best

 

+1

 

This was the motivation behind my initial question...

Why was 0860 converted? The family still owns 0860, so increasing the re-sale value probably was not the motive. It was done by a knowledgeable and respected collector.

The primary differences I see are: 0860 was converted first...0858 last. 0860 has an "Italian style" body and 0858 is being built "the English way." Are there any other significant differences between what happened to 0860 and what is happening to 0858? Why is there a bitter focus on the latter and hardly mention of the former?

Sheet metal working is not simply a matter of hammered vs. wheeled. A hammer (or a selection of hammers) can be used to stretch metal...or to shrink metal. An English Wheel can be used to stretch...or to shrink metal. That is, a panel is beat into rough shape on a sand bag (or a stump for you romantic types). Then, the Italians would planish the metal with a wide, flat planishing hammer and a dolly. The English would planish the metal with flatter rollers spaced relatively far apart in the English Wheel. With the care given to any typical high dollar restoration, the differences in the final product are minimal. IOW, in the hands of a skilled craftsman, an English Wheel is a very versatile tool that does much more than the traditional stretching of compound curves.