'Tis true. Anyone that wonders about this will be surprised at how little is mandated in the new books...look it up. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
And a few brand new scuds were sold in 2009 for large discounts to sticker. And the end of the run 599 and FF today. No, Ferrari is not impervious to poor economic times or model life cycle issues. And, IMHO, the Porsche 960 will be welcome competition, just like the fax machine (love that moniker!)...competition improves the breed! And besides, the economics of sports cars is boring and way over discussed here. Buy these things knowing you will likely take a large loss and you won't be surprised or disappointed. Drive it like it was built to do...(how do so many threads end up "here"?) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
IF the 458 Scuderia version has any batteries or hints at KERS type BS, then I predict the 360 CS and 430 Scuderia will catch a strong bid.
I'm glad you bring up the discount on Scuds. IMO this fact will push Ferrari to bring us a better value proposition this time around.I still think it will be 50k up charge over base 458 but we will get 40-50HP bump instead of the paltry 25HP gain of the 430 Scud - Let's hope Also let's not forget the Fax machine is gonna do it's GT3 thing as well Which should influence Ferrari to make a strong showing
This friend of mine is from Manchester. Not more than 300 miles from you to the northwest. He has a 355 since 1995. Few days ago when we were talking about my spider's arrival he told me that he has never paid less than 4k pounds for a Ferrari service. He said, never! I guess not anywhere should be a Manchester nick name! BTW, I had loved George D. P. Carlin. Great laughs!
But we are not talking about 355 servicing. 458 servicing is roughly £1200-1500. I will probably drive it more than the yearly servicing so, it does become very valuable for me, but not to the tune of £28k = euro 35 = $ 46k. The 355 obviously is very different for servicing and the costs related to it, but I do not expect the 458 servicing costs to be that high 15-18 years down the line (relatively).
Hi Sunny, I have to concede on that. However 458 are far yet for complete seven year service, so its difficult to make a precise guess. Im a truly believer of Ferrari handbooks, but not over that subject! BTW, he has referred to a 599!
in all honesty, with or without this "Scuderia" version, the 458 as we know it right now is pretty much way too much for almost all of us. The 458 as it is, it's already way more than enough for me
BUT, it lacks the brutal feeling that CS and scud brings. It shifts to smooth, it rides to high, it weighs to much And it sounds to "nice". Bring a 100kg lighter more track oriented car!
If I didn't always want more I wouldn't be Driving a 458 right now, bring on the 458 Scud and give it twin turbos and drop 200lbs, WHHHOOOO!!!
Or not. Ferrari's biggest competitive advantage and the main reason they were able to beat out a technologically superior competitor such as Mclaren was the use of high rev NA motors. Every manufacturer is producing high powered turbo cars at the moment. Ferrari you can say by the grace of God has been able to still produce high HP high rev motors(F12, 4.5L v8 in 458). This is the BIGGEST difference between other car makers excluding the pumped up Audi(Lamborghini). For the 458 Scuderia to be a winner it has to come without any KERS/Turbos. What would be incredible is if they got it to rev to 10k rpm which that engine is capable of doing based on interviews with the chief engineer. Ill be happy even with 9300-9500 and close to 600hp. Probably the last time thanks to the out of control governments that we see pure NA motors.
I think there's some truth here. But, one of the problems of the Scud was it's introduction at the peak of the economic crisis. Clearly they made too many and some people tried to flip them to get an early 458. A lot of owners are unhappy and reluctant now to do it again. Let's face it, -- only about 5 to 10% want a hard core edition or are willing to pay the price for it. So, it's a limited market. I think the new Scud will be in short supply and difficult to get to try to hold resale values this time instead of pushing as many out the door they could last time.
I think you have it nailed all the way. " It is the engine... stupid!" And you are also right about the out of control governments. You have only to survey the headlines to see that. Alas their fetish hatred of hydrocarbon fuels costs us all dearly.
I have heard the Turbo rumor twice, and not from people down at the local Sonic. I personally doubt it, but it's possible. I would assume they would use the 599 GTO Engine Tricks like the Crankshaft makeover and internal friction reduction efforts to obtain a higher revving naturally aspirate Beast. If they go the Turbo route I hope for two small turbos, my Cayenne has serious Turbo Lag and that is annoying. I am not down on Ferraris with Turbos since the 288GTO and F40 seem to have reached God Status wearing them. My favorite accolade to the standard 458 Italia is Jeremy Clarkson saying, "It's a better Ferrari than the F40". The Mayor may be right about 458 Scud production numbers being lower given where in the Life Cycle of the 458 they are choosing to produce the 458 Scud. The burning question is well it be exciting enough to get people to jump out of the 458 Italia???? I guess we just have to wait and see.
2 months before the private viewing and still no spy shot available on the net. I am curious how much more aggressive it will be compare to the Italia.
The jury is out. So far I think that the street 458 is the best looking embodiment of the Italia concept.
I have been reading this model specific thread for some time. But as a 328-owner I saw no constructive contribution. Until today. This car came around this afternoon. The pictures were taken by my son. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
GREAT spot!!! Thanks! So this is it. Love the wheels! Front looks very similar except for the hood vent/scoop that can be guessed. Rear might be more focused. Surely a decoration stripe hidden under the roof plastics, too.
