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  1. crinoid

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    Pretty interesting. I did not understand the reason of tyre swapping.


    F1 tyre tech analysis: camber, pressures and why reverse tyres? - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com

    Pirelli's post-British Grand Prix analysis identified several factors that contributed to its tyre failures - reversing tyres, low pressures and extreme camber angles.

    AUTOSPORT's technical writer Craig Scarborough explains all.

    REVERSING TYRES

    Reversing tyres - running them on the opposite side to the one they are designed for - is not a new trick but has come and gone with different tyre suppliers.

    Pirelli tyres are asymmetric, requiring the outer face of the tyre is mounted on the outer face of the wheel, but they are not strictly directional, meaning that a reversed tyre will work.

    It is common practice for teams to reverse a worn set of tyres and the outer shoulder of the tyre is still the outer shoulder when reversed and there does not appear to be a performance advantage.

    Instead, it is about teams aiming to get more use from worn sets because tyres on one side of the car will wear more the other.

    Because of the asymmetric design of the steel belt in the pre-Nurburgring tyres, there is the problem that a reversed tyre has the joint between its two ends pointing in the opposite direction, making it easier for it to separate if there is a problem with the tyre's shoulder, as happened at Silverstone.

    TYRE PRESSURES

    Tyre pressure is a key tuning aid, with stability, traction and warm-up characteristics all affected.

    At Silverstone, teams ran lower pressures, perhaps below Pirelli's recommended settings.

    This makes the tyre move about more as it is supported less by internal air pressure and with the 2013 tyres having stiffer shoulders and more pliable sidewalls, they will deform more and place greater stresses on the shoulder join.

    CAMBER ANGLE

    This is the angle of the wheel and tyre assembly relative to the vertical and, at a standstill, the front camber angle is usually around 3.5 degrees from vertical with the rear set at between zero and one degree.

    As the top of the tyre tilts inwards towards the centre of the car, this measurement is negative and the inner shoulder will bear more of the load.

    As the car moves around the track, the suspension will vary these camber angles by several degrees.

    Such an increase in camber increases the stresses on the tyres inside the shoulder.

    At Silverstone, the drivers were putting tyres inside the kerb to straightline certain corners, meaning the loads on the inner shoulder of the tyre would be far higher than usual.

    Any cuts or imperfections in the tyres could lead to the catastrophic failures seen during the race.

    Currently, these set-up tricks remain unregulated (although Pirelli has asked for this to change as soon as possible) so teams are free to run the tyres outside Pirelli's recommendations in pursuit of performance.
     
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    No longer!..... Charlie issues his directive;

    Dunno about "13R09NUR Preview 3" :)eek: ;)), but they can no longer **** around with 'em it seems....

    Cheers,
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    Other than tire swapping (Mclaren, primarily), I don't think the above suggested perameters are that far out from what teams had already been doing. Red Bull might have run very slightly lower pressures than that though. And I think Ferrari's rear camber angle may have been a tiny bit more than that, so I heard anyway
     
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    The tires have been hypersensitive of late. It's what the show wanted.
    Until it bit them.
     
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    Matchet called bollocks and I agree with him, to an extent, and he also stated that Mike Hembree gave the teams approval to do so but here is my main concern, why was every failure on the left rear?
     
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    That's the corner with the highest stress given the way the courses run.
     
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    I did forget about that, thanks. With that being said and if the teams who had failures were running lower tire pressures, and I understand why, I guess they learned how much even the slightest pressure change effects the current tires.

    With that being said I am just glad that there were no major accidents or drivers injured.
     
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    They dodged a bullet for sure. The real danger seemed to be from the flying debris. Ask Phil about that.
     
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    It certainly could have ended someone's life. They are all very fortunate.
     
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    It's probably too much to expect but I do hope they all learned something.
     
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    What is being ignored in this is that the teams were only tire swapping due to the nonsensical limiting of the sets of tires alotted.
     
  14. Fast_ian

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    Not true.

    While they've done that some in the past, they definitely found a performance gain running 'em backwards. Sure, it can even out the wear, but Hemberys said many times he's 'upset' at the # of tires they waste every weekend. Many unused sets get destroyed after every race.

    Cheers,
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    And the march to a pure Spec series continues.
     
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    Ouch! :(

    Understand what you're getting at, but in this case at least, I've gotta disagree. They really did need to do something before someone got hurt.

    Cheers,
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    That's the way the exSPEED bunch put it this morning and Bumbleburry seemed to agree.
     
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    Nice to hear....;)

    Was partying again and haven't watched it yet....

    'Bumbleberry' worthy of Is. ;)

    Cheers,
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  19. VIZSLA

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    Brings out the Dickens in me.
    ;)

    Shan't spoil it for you them.
     
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    Oh, no worries there.... I've long ago seen the grid. Wouldn't dare to come here else...;)

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  21. VIZSLA

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    Not gonna fool me.

    Prove it.

    ;)
     

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