David Piper restores the Talacrest P4

Dream on, you really don't have a clue.

 

True and The Piper Fan Boys Bleating the same tired BS and repeatedly stating things as fact that aren't true won't change that.

This Piperised 350 Can Am with an incorrectly made P4 replica body has been on offer for a long time because potential buyers clearly understand what's true and what's total BS and what as some have called this "Abortion" is and isn't worth.

 

True.

 

I seem to have opened this thread again in error and I see the same old Piper fans are carrying on with same old tired argument. The post above perhaps best sums things up in my opinion.

 

Perhaps you need to read GTE's post more carefully...because you have totally missed the point.

 

Quite a comical thread. However much people ***** and moan its still happening, and I doubt the wider world cares what a bunch of self appointed experts on the internet think about it anyway.

Race cars converted/updated in period are very often put back to their original or best known guise, its been happening since cars first existed, this one is no different, and being carried out by the world leading expert in the type.

It seems your only allowed to chop up a ferrari if your a key figure on fchat, and its then applauded, weird place !

 

Another anonymous post from a disinterested party.

 

No just a new member with an educated opinion. I realise that's not allowed if it goes against the baying fchat mob culture. Why not tell me exactly what I have said that's incorrect

 

Why not introduce yourself so we can better appreciate your comments.

 

As the self appointed Oracle would say. "True."

 

Can you "educate" us on which serial number cars specifically you are saying were "chop up" and then applauded? Are you talking GTE's or.....?

I think the problem we have here is one of more becoming less versus one being built up from the ashes of what once was.

Meaning this car was once a 100% time capsule original Ferrari.

Now it's a recreation using a % of real Ferrari components.

I feel the consensus is people would rather have 100% ferrari then part kit car part ferrari.

Now in other cases where folks have built cars up from scrap they are not destroying anything that is historically important but rather building the best car they can out of the wreckage. They are adding to what is there versus taking away as is the case here.

If you don't like what the majority of a community thinks and it is their collective opinion then maybe you'd do better off posting somewhere else like a kit car forum.

And who's to say that Piper is the worlds "leading expert on P4's" If someone was restoring some vintage furniture for me and he used a screw where a nail should be I'd hardly call him a leading expert mostly if there was a group of people standing next to him pointing out that the job requires a nail. Expierience with P4's does not exactly translate to expertise or as is obvious here good taste.


Cheers.

 

Been so long, yet twice in one day the word "chutzpah" is the only one I've found befitting comments such as . . .

 

Great second post!

Not.

Commissioning Pininfarina to rebody a car in period is EXACTLY like turning the last original 350 Can Am in existence into a replica "P4" Forty Six years after Ferrari built it by fitting an incorrectly made replica body!

Not.

As for the people that matter to the people to the people who commissioned this "abortion", as a purely commercial venture, not because they personally wanted a "P4" and as there are no real ones they could buy decided to go this route, the fact that it in it's butchered state 0858 has remained unsold at it's asking price for a LONG time proves that the people who matter to the owner of 0858 so far have no interest.

Your statement that this is: "being carried out by the world leading expert in the type." in light of the indisputable fact that the replica "P4" body he made is made using totally incorrect techniques for a P4 body is laughable.

Suckers are born every day but personally I agree with Michael who said that this will end in tears.

 

True

 

Of course I think Paul 500 is on the right track. And all this about the car remaining unsold is absolutely true.The "people who matter" don't want the car as a CanAm failure and are smart enough to let D.P. and Talacrest do the right thing as see how that turns out.Until someone comes out with suggestions of a shop that can sill do quality traditional 1960s Italian body, work the English wheel adaptation seems to be the best alternative. It certainly would be worse to give the job to a shop that claimed but failed to deliver the desired result. Talacrest and D P may well have tried this approach and been unable to find a satisfactory solution. tongascrew

 

Hello Steve we are in the same city, well slightly west as I am in Penarth

 

Hello Paul. Small world. I'm not far from you at all. Welcome to F-Chat.

 

Ok here are some simple yes/no questions, rather than just slating this restoration have a think and answer honestly.

Are there any other cars out their purporting to be chassis 0858 Yes/No?

Is this chassis fundamentally the same one used by 0858 in period Yes/No?

Does anyone dispute that this car started life as 0858 Yes/No?

Was 0858 a Ferrari P4 Yes/No?

Is there anyone outside ferrari that knows the P4 model better than David Piper Yes/No?

Is this just a chassis plate rebuild claiming to be the original car like many other ferraris that exist out there Yes/No?

If this car had been rebodied in period as it is now would it have mattered at all back then Yes/No?

It seems the red mist is getting in the way of appreciating the fact an original P4 is going to live again.

I imagine the Cam Am body and any parts removed during the restoration will come with the car, so if anyone out there has the funds they can always revert it back to that spec in the future if they want.

Just to confirm I have no association with anyone involved in this restoration and have never met any of them either, just someone who appreciates old cars being brought back to life.

Just because I have only made a few posts don't assume I am some spotty, wet behind the ears troll

 

cheers mate, I regularly drive past Dick Lovetts and drool.

 

0858 was never dead. She just went on to 'live' as a 350 Canam. What is happening now has nothing to do with bringing a original P4 back to life. Putting a replica body on it, isn't bringing an original P4 back to life, it is putting a original 350 Canam to sleep.

 

No
No
No
Yes
Yes. Ferrari.
Pretty much.
No. (If Ferrari did it in period.)

 

I'll take a crack at this one.

The answer is yes. Anyone that realizes it is no longer a P4 and would leave it as a Can Am.

Or if no choice but to try to make a re-incarnation of something that no longer exists it would be anyone that would build it the right way with the right parts/methods.