David Piper restores the Talacrest P4

I am one of the Philistines that prefer shiny, especially as it will be now more of a show car than a go car after its racing days are over. The person painting the car should not be condemned or his workmanship questioned if he has been instructed to create a "shiny" body.

 

But then lets not pretend the new P4-body has any relation to what was on the car back in 1967, other than the resemblance of its general shape.

Out with the tatty genuine and authentic, in with the shiny recreation. Still don't see how that is a good thing. Some people can't be trusted with the preservation of history. Which is an important aspect of the love for vintage cars, no?

 

I don't disagree with anything you say above. I can also understand why people would prefer that the car has the authentic "tatty" look that is said that the car had in its racing days. It's just a look that is less attractive to me.

 

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Any notes to photos naps? [sure you will have them ]

 

so it boils down to the question whether you want something historically correct or something pretty. Surely you wouldn't prefer a digitally enhanced poster of the Mona Lisa over the original, just because the colors might be brighter?

 

There are lots of pretty replica P4's.

This Can Am will probably just be another.

 

Agreed, but "overly shiny and smooth" rarely translates into minus points on the concours field these days. If it did, there would probably be a more concerted effort to recreate a period look to the finishes.

 

I don't think you could classifiy it as a replica at all..There are plenty of rebodied Ferraris out there

 

"True."

 

the only thing worse than overly shiny is fake patina.
the best way to present these cars now is to build them as " conceived" or as engineering/design spec'd them. meaning, even panel gaps, no runs in paint, panels smooth, etc.
the designers surely didnt draw uneven panel gaps, etc.
and, weren't these cars, even the race cars debuting at car shows. ferrari would have want the car to impress.

 

Good post.

 

I agree. Unlike what's being done to 0858, here's a good example: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-thru-365-gtc4-sponsored-redline-restorations/111267-0854-back-original-coupe.html

 

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^ exactly!
would anybody present a p4 at pebble with fake racing appearance, with sand blasted paint and tire rubber glued to the bodywork?

 

"Should...." is a value judgment which is what this entire thread has been about, not facts, but value judgments. In the world in which we all live today, unfortunately (in my opinion) commerce rules all. I believe that if a buyer offered a willing Louvre seller $40mill Euros more for a blonde Mona Lisa than for the lady in her present original da Vinci coif, she would have a new golden hairdo in a New York minute.

Ridiculous? yes. But it would happen.

 

"patina" barn-find cars are making regular appearances at auction houses, and bring the big bucks.

 

It isn't a P4, nor a rebodied P4.

It is a Can Am with a replica P4 body and therefore a replica of what it once was.

 

Fake? Likely not.

Real? We did at Villa d'Este and will again at Quail and many others do at The Goodwood Festival of Speed.

We simply wiped ours down with WD40 which is what we do post race as we have no paint so wet sanding wouldn't make much sense.
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True.

 

Do you seriously think a painting altered YEARS after it was created could be worth more than it is was as an original?

 

Not true. 0858 is what it is. A Ferrari P4.

 

is/are there any current p4's with authentic in period, racing appearance?
not talking current racecars with current racing appearance.

 

It hasn't been one for many years.

No replica body or Piper parts bin dipping can change that.

 

You know what, today this is true for most of the vintage cars from that era, so 0858 will fit right in.