Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

You forget that the F12 engine in itself is a pretty advanced piece of technology.

 

Suspension, aero, brakes, hybrid system, engine (efficiency).

Sorry, but the LaFerrari is not more than a souped up 458 with KERS to me.

 

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Sorry, V8 v V12 to begin with and little else in common.

What do you consider the P1 to be? Seems to be to be more grounded argument, which some have made, that it is far closer to being called a souped up 12c.

As I said, having seen it in a single colour, the P1 is fast growing on me if only the engine note was more appropriate.

 

LOL)))
Sorry, but the P1 is not more than a souped up 12C with KERS to me.

ps/ LaFerrari superior P1 in all respects - engine power, acceleration, top speed.

ps/ps/ and you know what kind of engine is recognized Best Performance Engine in the prestigious International Engine of the Year Awards? The sights please - Ferrari takes Best Performance Engine and Above 4-litre Engine accolades for the third year running

 

According to the President of Ferrari Club France - a faithful devotee of the brand and big time Corsa Clienti customer. That's who you've quoted.

I often find comments like those are less shocking when you put them in perspective.

>8^)
ER

 

And what about your own comments?
Are they less shocking when we put them in perspective?
You, Mclaren boys, always have trouble with Ferrari maestry, that's the perspective.
You have to proove, demonstrate, argument, criticize, always and always, and this because what you think is true only for you.
Ferrari creates fantastic cars, beautiful, with soul, and sells them easily. Mclaren don't. That's it.
"If you are a genius and everybody thinks you are not, you are not a genious." Think about that. Ok, Mclaren builds the most advanced hypercar ...for macca boys. But Ferrari builds the best for the rest of the World. You are in Ferrarichat. That's the perspective.

 

From your description it seems is the P1 to be a souped up MP4 with IPAS, don’t you think ?
It’s bizarre that you refers to the P1 engine as an element of more advanced technology in comparison to LaFerrari.
LaF uses an evolution (with a continuously variable length inlet ducts and many other features to reduce internal parts weight and frictions) of the 2013 International performance Engine of the year V12 that has soundly beaten the Ricardo M838T and its efficiency.
Still more bizarre you refers to hybrid system when for battery weight / disposition and features (braking kinetic energy regeneration, torque vectoring precision) the HY-Kers seems to be second to none.
I suggest you to read carefully laFerrari specs, your comments are a bit snotty

Cheers

Luque

 

So, you the guy with 10 posts, tell the guy with 5000+ posts, "it's my way or the highway"

you have guts kid but i think you need to calm down

Saw the P1 in Paris and repeat what i said then. This car looks GREAT ! in the flesh.

 

Thanks for the valuable input Mr 39 posts. Seriously, what does a post # has to do with anything? You are the one who sound like a kid with this post # argument.

 

Ok!

Firstly, the chassis: the Ferrari uses 4 different types of carbon as a function of stress and torsional needs that have NEVER been used in a road car before. The McLaren uses a more basic structure. The Ferrari chassis is hand built in the F1 composite dept - that is just how complex it is...

Next, the V12. Jean-Jacques His would chuckle at the suggestion that the engine is merely a retuned F12 with a Kers bolted on! His chuckle would certainly come from the lack of insight that allows such a comment. If it were as simple as you suggest, then the development would have been done overnight. We are talking about a technology that has NEVER been applied to a road going Supercar before.

The McLaren effectively uses a tweaked version of the MP4 12C engine that a third party builds for them, but I, for one, would never suggest that it was as simple as turning up the boost.

The Ferrari is a completely new dimension.

Aerodynamics are key here too. For both cars. Ferrari appear to have taken the exercise further in creating the necessary balanced downforce without destroying the beauty of the car (a point that seems to be agreed upon by all).

We can go on and on here as the car is truly a technological revolution but, I'll stop before someone accuses me of wearing red-tinted glasses....

I am sure that the advent of the P1 pushed Ferrari further - and that is a good thing.

As for the Porsche, their goal is completely different : 70g of CO2 from a high performance car. Not in the same league as the Ferrari or the McLaren.

 

Sorry to correct you mr 10000 post, but unlike mr 10 post i did not lecture anyone about what it is ok to like in a ferrari forum.

If you fail to see the difference, there is nothing i can tell you.

 

LaFerrari has nothing in common with the Enzo. Different engine (by far the most exotic of the 3 new hypercars), different chassis and construction (F1 grade carbon fibre), different gearbox (dual clutch), more advanced brakes and electronics, much more advanced aerodynamics, different seating position concept, different suspension and of course the KERS. All in all from another planet in every possible metric compared to the Enzo and by no means inferior to the other hypercars. My bet is that it will also be the fastest, not to mention the best sounding and most striking...

 

Nothing could be further from the truth. The V12 in LaFerrari is a 130 hp/litre masterpiece that howls to 9000+ RPM and shares only a few components with the F12. You don't go from 740 HP to 800 with a NA engine just like that; serious changes are required at an already "alien" engine. At the end of the day it is much more special having a V12 rather than a V8. Imagine if LaFerrari had an uprated V8 taken from the 458! That's what McLaren did!

 

You are probably a nice guy and all, but this is probably the most stupid remark ever posted on this board. And lord knows there are posted some stupid comments on here. Congrats.

 

It's not about what to like or not. One was pointing out to the other that his comment were also no without bias (to be discussed or not..). I dont think he needs to have 10 or 100 or 5000 posts to do so.

 

Sorry but P1 IC engine is the least impressive.. 918 doesn't even deserve a comment.

 

Well said! The only thing that LaFerrari and the 458 have in common is the Ferrari badge...

 

Totally agree. They have some similarities but they're both Ferrari's in the end. Each supercar brand has similarities across different models nowadays. In my opinion there is nothing wrong with that, each brand has it's own design language.

Apart from this similarities they're both totally different. Really like the 458 (I think it's gonna be a classic in the future) and also starting to like LaFerrari more and more.

 

Glad to see it is business as usual around here.

Did want to comment on this one item:

Ferrari have quite a head start on McLaren when it comes to developing a brand and building a client list. While it is easier to build up a brand in the modern era, it's rarely something that happens overnight, especially in the automotive world. No doubt McLaren will get there if they continue at their current pace and output.

Would also like to point out that these discussions aren't a game to me. I would not be here if I wasn't also passionate about Ferrari and some of the great cars they have created. I even went so far as to considering buying one back when the economy was in a better place. For those who want to pigeon hole me as 'Mr McLaren' or whatever, could you even imagine ME driving a Ferrari.

I could...

>8^)
ER

 

Hopefully the flag will drop soon.

Ferrari, McLaren and Porsche all have publically stated that they will be below
7 at The Ring.

We shall then see which design is faster around the benchmark they all chose to
to be judged by.

 

Did I offend anyone? No. To ME, it's just a more powerful 458 (even if it has nothing to do with it) and in my opinion, it has taken the smallest technological leap from its predecessor.

 

Talk about stupid comments, GTE.

 

Except maybe me. The LaFerrari's looks have underwhelmed me when it was announced and continues to do so. The rear of the P1 is the most exciting and different of any car built to date ... to me. I think I'd go as far as to as to rate the three cars in the looks department as the P1 first > 918 > LaFerrari.

But I've watched a view videos of the LaFerrari in action and the sound is wonderful.
Pete

 

Surprisingly the P1 has a much more organic and free-flowing design with actual curves where as the LF has taken a more clinical approach to design. Should be interesting to see the LF in different colors.