Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

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Incredibly beautiful!

 

Classically beautiful, sublime, perfect.

 

It would seem that our friends from down under do not understand and appreciate LaFerrari.

Perhaps it is a geographical issue (??!!)....

To each his own, however, I suggest that they turn their attention to either the McLaren or the Porsche as both remain largely available to absolutely anyone who wants one (am sure as discount is possible), while bashing the Ferrari is a mute point as they are all sold and there is a queue a mile long of people who "qualify" for one but didn't get one.

VW can afford to sink the development costs of the 918 - not an issue, but McLaren may be another story.... A P1 might actually become a valuable collector car should the brand cease to exist.....

 

Certainly will be interesting, but not be the beginning and end of it! There is more to building a road car than setting a time on a racetrack

I realise your obsession with 'ring times is a focal point, Jim, and I know how important it has become to you that the P1 be quicker than the Ferrari so that you be vindicated somewhere along the line, but the reality goes way beyond a lap time - especially for cars that are a compromise as they are road legal...

 

Wow. I was a little bearish on the 918 but those pics sent me from six to midnight.

 

It wouldn't matter how any Ferrari supercar performed or what it looked like, it would still sell out. It appears many Ferrari buyers just buy the badge ... hats off to Ferrari for being in this position.

They could rebadge FIAT Pintos and every single one would be sold at a 400 percent profit

Oh and performance does matter for these cars and the Ring is the best way to judge a road cars track performance because the surface is more road like than most tracks. The resulting numbers are required to fill and excite the many car magazines .
Pete

 

Perhaps you can tell me what technical leap its predecessor made that this did not

The enzo used a single clutch semi auto trans. Not new the f1 box was introduced on the 355. It had pushrod suspension, much like the f50, along with a carbon chassis much like the f50 that came before it. Carbon ceramic brakes? If I'm not mistaken it was the first on that count. At least for a ferrari, I dont remember if the cgt or slr beat it to the punch on that. The adjustable traction control that ferrari has (not manettino but steering mounted nonetheless) if I recall correctly was first introduced in it. What else was ground breaking about it? Nothing. It was all the tech of its time pushed to the absolute limit of its efficiency and then some.

The new f70. F1 derived kers system, first ferrari to go that route for sure, active aero 458 derived and the dct just like the f1 box in the enzo was an improved derivative of a trans ferrari tested on 2 generations of their "lesser cars." In house styling, first for any ferrari hypercar, and personally I love the look of the thing. Face melting performance, arguably only the p1 has a chance of coming even close. That being said Mclaren has always had cars that went toe to toe with fezzas the few times they bothered to build road cars. So lets see, oh look it's the same story again, it's todays tech getting pushed to the ragged edge of what's possible. Think about it for one second. This thing will be over 1000lbs lighter than a veyron, yet it nearly equals it in power, and has the sharpness and response that comes from a perfectly honed naturally aspirated engine. Other than a silly name where does this car fail?

 

You might be surprised to learn that the first production car fitted with carbon-ceramic brakes was the Mercedes Benz CL55 AMG F1 Limited Edition which was released in 2000 - well ahead of all that you have listed.

Photo of the brakes with their 8-piston calipers in the front: http://img.netcarshow.com/Mercedes-Benz-CL55_AMG_F1_Limited_Edition_2000_1600x1200_wallpaper_0b.jpg

>8^)
ER

 

Foul, The Venturi Atlantique 400 GT, was the first production car to have ceramic brakes.
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Production car?, really? How many cars have to built to call it production car?
Pete

 

Not built in special request, built for the road and offered for sale as such. Isn't that a production car if more than one was built?

 

I think we should all agree that the Mac, the P and the F are all remarkable cars that are given immense capabilities through different design- en technologysolutions.

The point is that calling the LaFerrari a 'souped up 458' has no base in the facts. I haven't seen you put forward any factual argument as well. A souped up 458 would be the Scuderia version (or whatever they are going to call it) and allthough that will be an awesome car as well, but it couldn't or shouldn't be able to touch LaFerrari on any performancelevel.

Like Jim I am eager to see those cars being dragged around the Ring. Not just to find out which one is king, but just the sight should be awesome.

 

Probably there are more Venturis with carbon brakes than Mercedes SL.

In the Mercedes, it was an option, only for the front wheels, and it was a commercial failure, they stopped offering them less than one year later IIRC, because people complained about that those brakes were squeaky, something that the regular drivers of Mercedes SL probably find quite annoying.

 

You're right, GTE.

Here's a P1 prototype spotted on the Nurburgring:

2014 McLaren P1 'XP2R' limited edition spied for the first time
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Exactly, that was the idea...
And I really not understand the motivations for X-boys to post in a Y-chat forum tons and tons of messages in order to explain to Y-boys why X is better than Y.
Possibly the point is they have a problem with Y real or supposed superior maestry.
It's easy to understand this frustration. But don't they have X-chat forums? No?
It's normal to have discussions in Forums. But same arguments and attacks from certain forumists always and always posted and reposted can become really boring in this context.
You prefer X? Good! Tell us your love! But don't bull**** other's choices!

Edit: the P1 -above- looks better in silver. Only color effect or other minor changes with this prototype?

 

I see several sources mention that but there's no specifics - what year were they added? Certainly not 1984 when the car was first revealed.

Also, someone had better tell Mercedes - they have long cited it as their own innovation.

Here's a reprint of the press release - maybe they don't count the boutique French supercar as a production car?

High-tech coupe CL55AMG ?F1 Limited Edition?: Innovative super-sportscar, the first with ceramic brakes | Mercedes 500SEC.com

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ER

 

The venturi had carbon brakes way before the CL55 AMG. They were not carbon ceramics though.

 

Without knowing 100% sure, i think it was from the beginning. Remember, the GT, was a homologation special, so i think the streetcar had to have all the nice bits from start.

Have been trying to figure out how the spare parts situation is for the track version of this, as it might be an out of the ordinary and fun track toy. It had sublime handling apparently.

 

Thank you Andrew - that makes a lot more sense.

>8^)
ER

 

True. Noting the number of ultra low mileage Ferrari supercars for sale 24 years after they were manufactured is pretty funny. That 23 year old F 40's with 10K miles are considered "High mileage" is even funnier.

Ferrari, Porsche and McLaren have all said how they'll do on The Ring.

We shall see.

 

they should agree to run on the same day as well!

 

LaF, P1 and 918 are foremost road cars. Only pure Nurburgring times are not relevant considerations for such cars.
If we need to compare Ferrari, Mclaren or Porsche sport capabilities, we have Formula One and other championships for that.

 

Here we go!

 

Do you guys think that P1 will be racing in some FIA racing series?
Do you like how it sounds?
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