Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Logic suggests that is the case and what I have assumed. Still in disguise running around Maranello, no appearances, no delivery dates, no new Fiorano times, and whilst all 499 could be sold out, they have still to allocate the last 150 cars and are clearly in no rush to do so seeing as they don't yet have a viable product to offer.

 

Maybe the real reason Is that the car Is complex ,the competition strong and ferrari just want to sell a perfect reliable car.

 

Unfortunately as much as I'm excited about the P1, it really does sound like *****. Obviously not even a flat plane crank v8. Engine belongs in a Mercedes or Chevy sounding like that. Would be a deal breaker for me, if I won the millions needed.
Pete

 

Interesting ... I don't see Ferrari as being that successful in F1. Those titles have taken 62 years and you are artificially increasing the number by summing the WDC and consolation (IMO) prize Construction Championship. I follow Ferrari in F1 because of their undying passion for sticking with it, even with 21 year droughts, but yes even coming 3rd or 4th in F1 is an achievement.

But it would not surprise me at all that there are bugs with a car this complex, and hats off to Ferrari for delaying (if they actually are) and fixing it first. Considering over 50% won't even move under their own power that is dedication.
Pete

 

...but it is a flat plane crank V8.

From an interview with Dan Parry-Williams on the sounds of the P1:

Have you heard some of the sound its making in vids from the Nurburgring this past week? Nothing to cry about.

>8^)
ER

 

Mclaren team know that turbo sounds like crap, when they create roadster version of mp4-12c they also decide to rebuild exhaust system

 

Really, doesn't sound like it to me though, but I'm obviously wrong. Even a Aussie v8 super car race car sounds much better.

And yes it's the Nurburgring videos I listened ... horrid IMO, so disappointed.
Pete

 

Definite difference of opinion - when the P1 was on it the thing sounds really aggressive. It's not a sound like you get from a Carrera GT or LFA or Zonda, but I still thought it sounded exactly as a supercar/hypercar should at full chat.

>8^)
ER

 

Rod Dennis know about growing criticism of sound in new generation sport cars, but even his smart answer to difficult questions don't change the fact that P1 sounds crappy
Lamborghini understand how important is exhaust sound, they declare that there will be no turbo in their future cars

 

Yes, and as said, I find the sound completely inappropriate and not suited to this car, fine on a big Mustang or Corvette, not for the pinnacle of road cars.

 

You must be kidding. Ferrari is the most successful F1 team ever.Yes, I did add up the titles. If you want to take the Constructors' Championships alone, Ferrari has 16 of those. The next best team is Williams with 9! Ferrari also has the highest winning percentage with approximate 1 win for every 4 races it has participated in. Only McLaren comes close to that. Saying that Ferrari is not that successful is like saying that the sun is not that hot.

Regarding LaFerrari, the car is so complex that it needs serious honing. McLaren and Porsche are doing the same thing but I didn't see any complaints about them.

 

Is there any information about when the first production or press cars will be ready?

 

UGR Lambos sound pretty decent. 288 GTO makes some not unreasonable racket, as well.

Exhaust note aside, P1, like all of today's dual-clutch cars, have a slushbox sound to their gear change when not being grabbed by the throat that may take a bit of getting used to for some, though ...

 

True, but it's not a screaming V10 that the GT was. Also, the front end has entirely too many 360 design cues as well. I like the car, but it doesn't move me like the GT did.

 

Having finished finished a 24 with a KERS car, seeing 25 918 mules, converted
our KERS car for the street, seen how complex it is to keep KERS batteries viable
while resting in your garage I'm not surprised. The cost and complexity of these systems
is astounding. I think this is the reason Porsche is proceeding so cautiously.

KERS cars hate sitting and their battery packs are VERY expensive to replace.

DD hybrids are one thing. Garage Queen KERS HyperCars are quite another.

Personally I think KERS HyperCars because of their complexity will be a service nightmare.

I also think that performance wise without KERS and hundred of lbs lighter all of
them would have been more interesting and faster. That's why our next road
car won't have KERS and will be a lot lighter and simpler. Our next race car won't
have KERS either. With a CF 4C tub and a Maserati TTV6 or TT V8 we'll be at a nice
simple p/w and faster around the Ring than P 4/5 C.

The only one I would buy is a 918 as of the three manufactures I think their system is better engineered for the real world.

 

What about a TERS system, Napolis, whose sole function is to keep the turbo(s) spooled and ready to boost under all circumstances?

 

We are looking into that but once again complexity and weight are issues.

Sports Cars used to be light, simple and nimble. 600 HP in a 2200 lb car
should be very interesting and fun. We can get 600 HP from both engines but
the TT V8 would be less stressed and require less rebuilding between races.

At one time Ferrari was going down the route of smaller, lighter, simpler with a goal
of 1000 KG and a TTV8 but decided on a 3200 LB V12 instead.

We're also going to have a 3 pedal car with sequential stick.

The question remains.

How will La Ferrari, P1, and 918 hold up in the real and garage queen world?

The other question still remains.

Will any of them be as fast around the Ring as their manufactures have said they will be
and if they are which will be the fastest?

 

Is this achievable in a production car with current and foreseen government mandated emissions and safety standards (bumpers, crumple zones, air bags, shaping for pedestrians...)? I have no doubts about the 600 hp. But the 2200 lb.....?

 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OULUZDHwelI]McLaren P1 'XP2R' testing HARD at the Nürburgring! - YouTube[/ame]

 

Based on the weight of the 4C we think it can be done.

 

Okay, that was much better, but a supercar should not sound like a Mustang. To me it still sounds like a non-flat plane crank. No change in exhaust will turn that sound into a scream ... they should IMO change the firing order so it sounds like a F355.

I hate the sound Kon...segg's make also.
Pete

 

So much exhaust sound talk... zzz...

P1 w/ meh exhaust >> just about everything under $1M w/ amazing exhaust. End of story.

Exhaust note doesn't make the car. Doesn't matter how good a Lamborghini, or a 458, or a CGT sound, because you all know that you'd take a P1 over those in a heartbeat. Hell, most people here would take one if it made no sound at all.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHsLO4UWeCU

 

Black Porsche 918 spotted in Spain.
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I don't care about Mclaren but if Ferrari will go this way it will be very stupid idea