Hey, All this talk of a 'shake up' and the much vaunted new specs having a big effect on packaging etc got me wondering..... Has anyone got (a link to?) a side-by-side or overlay style CAD drawing comparing the two? Personally, I reckon the status quo pretty much remains, unless one of the powertrain suppliers gets it really wrong. And neither do I think they're gonna look much different to today's things either. IIRC, I did read something about Pirelli asking for wider rears to be allowed in order to handle the extra torque though........ Cheers, Ian
I'm expecting a revised sidepod treatment to be the biggest visual change other than the lower noses and 15 cm narrower front wings. The sidepods I expect will be shockingly small. My reasoning behind the sidepod treatment is I believe something clever will be done with the intercooler(s?) packaging, and the exhaust tubing will indeed be much tighter because all pipes will feed straight into the turbo thus freeing up gobs of room in that rear sidepod area which is currently reserved for EBD bits. BBC reporting Pirelli are wanting wider tires due to more power out of the new powertrains and more downforce. Crazy times if they can get rid of EBD, use 1.6L engines, shorten the front wing, ditch the beam wing, yet still be either as fast or faster with the only benefit from 2014 regs being that they will probably be able to have smaller sidepods and engines with perhaps a touch more power. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
They're still gonna suck. Interesting comments, cheers!.... Haven't read the rules in a while, but IIRC, the turbo positioning is more or less fixed. And we know turbos generate some serious heat. I guess they'll all want as tight a package as possible (don't we all! ), but "similar" power is going to generate "similar" cooling requirements, so we'll see how small they can go. "The more things change, the more they stay the same." OK, thanks for confirmation. Indeed. They'll still suck though! Cheers, Ian
Before we get all cocky, let's wait for the cars to actually come out. IMO, they're going to be 2+ seconds slower, aka lightyears. 4+ seconds slower than the V10s. The sound...eh we'll see. From what we've heard so far GP2 will sound better.
I have confidence that 2014 cars will be within half a second of where they were at the beginning of 2013. The smaller sidepod treatment will bring great opportunity in other areas. I suspect the integrated driveshaft/a-arm covers will be played with for more downforce to take place of losing the beam wing. 2014 cars will be beautiful if nothing else.
My guess is we will see complex multi-element front wings with endplates circa 2004 and prior which were more of an air dam with no side exits.
found this. additionally, many designers are going on about cooling needs for the electronics and the little turbo motor as a challenge. Image Unavailable, Please Login
I'm not quite sure where you're coming up with this. If anything, they are going to need additional cooling for all these new recovery systems. Plus they have an intercooler now which they didn't before.
That rear wing will never look right. They seriously need to widen it quite a ways to give the card some appearance of balance. Mark
My conjecture is based on 2 major components being much small and routed differently for 2014. 1) the exhaust manifolds can be made very small and tucked into the engine, piping will be routed directly to the turbo as opposed to the wide elbowed manifolds existing now purely for the benefit of EBD blowing, 2) EBD and bodywork designed specifically for assisting EBD extraction will not longer be present The only additional component the new powertrains bring to the table which are somewhat a challenge to mount are intercoolers, and there seems to be a great deal of conjecture that one sidepod will be used to cool the engine coolant, and one sidepod will be dedicated to an intercooler while ballast will obviously placed on the intercooled side to balance it to the coolant filled radiator on the opposite side. That is certainly what make most sense to me at this point anyway. Where else would they stick a large intercooler?
they could, if they piggy-backed the intercooler to the radiators on each side. I don't see much sense in it though. perhaps.
It would be really cool if they figured out some way to make the intercooler and aerodynamic component though. An intercooler is technically not bodywork so it doesn't fit into the rules of where bodywork can and cannot be placed.
watching the cricket..... I honestly don't recall inter coolers being used as 'aero aids', but guess its doable. IIRC, back in the day they were (mostly?) water/water rather than water/air. Big ass radiators. Cheers, Ian
I assumed that's what put you to sleep. There were experiments with surface mounted cooling devices. As far as I remember they all failed. Happy Friday.
Never!..... Shame for the Aussies that we've already retained the Ashes (won 2, drawn 1 in a 5 match series. As the holders, we get to keep 'em. Very nice!) Back at ya. I suspect at least some of 'em will play with 'bizarre' solutions. Technology's come a long way since the last iteration....... Cheers, Ian
I have to wonder if teams are going to attempt integerating water radiators with intercoolers. So, it will be a radiator with 2 inlets and 2 exits, one for turbo air, one for water. Makes sense
