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  1. JazzyO

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    What I find strange is that he first posted in English on the previous page and then felt the need to re-iterate the same message in Italian. Odd.


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  2. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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  3. readplays

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    MODS: Can we please ban this troll. His ramblings are contributing nothing to this thread.
     
  4. VIZSLA

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    Looks like he's been erased.

    Thank you mods.
     
  5. Ocean Joe

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    #755 Ocean Joe, Jul 25, 2013
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    +1

    Update:

    Lawson has a new attorney. He is Mr. Timothy Smith, Esq.

    Mr. Smith was Karl Kleve's attorney in 1988-89 for that deposition. It is a fitting final note. Things have come full circle for a neat closure as things near an end.

    Attached is the recent case docket.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWvJGV_3NNU
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  6. Jeff Kennedy

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    Kinda sounds like this may only be partially resolved with more disputes having sprouted out of it.

    Is that an accurate assessment Joe? Can you say why so many of the filings are sealed? Were they initially sealed or only at the end?

    Jeff
     
  7. Ocean Joe

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    Sealing only applies to some of the latest filings - I think for one filed July 23, which has not yet posted electronically. The Judge already denied Swaters' prior attempt at to conceal filings and silence debate with a type of gag order and secrecy.

    I am presently proceeding Pro Se so my filings take longer to appear electronically, yet when they do they are chronologically placed. IMHO, the Gardner contingent lien dispute will be shown to be the side show that it is – a distraction by a contingent lien holder who materially breached years ago, wants back in as if never in material breach, and then resorted to misrepresentations to enable a hijacking in another country, all of which will be appropriately dealt with when the time comes. As to the main event, our next hearing is August 8, which is a reset of the July 25 hearing as requested by . . . well . . . see the docket. I would say more but . . .


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  8. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    Thankyou Joe for your comments
     
  9. Enigma Racing

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    +1

    I am on holiday and half way through this fascinating story. Thank you Ney as we forget that Swaters was only one party in this story and is no longer here to defend himself.
     
  10. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    Perhaps but having read every post on this thread at least twice, it is difficult to imagine that Swaters or Lanskweert werent fully aware of what they were doing. Maybe it was Lanskweert that is worthy of the moral judgement but then again werent they partners? The fact that Swaters may or may not have had a major role in a fraudulent transaction does not (and should not) however take away from his signifigance as one of the key players in the Ferrari story. None of us are saints after all.......
     
  11. Ocean Joe

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    #761 Ocean Joe, Aug 11, 2013
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    All,

    We had our hearing on August 8, 2013. We are to submit proposed orders by Thurs, Aug 15. The Judge will look those proposals over and he will pick, choose, cut, paste, etc.

    There was an intense flurry of Motion and filings as per attached docket, all in anticipation of that hearing.

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  12. cheesey

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    seems strange / confusing, what am I missing ... the judge is going to make a ruling from the bench based on the mountain of last minute filings submitted without further hearing / examination / response. Seems there are too many choices (loose ends ) for the judge to sift through.
     
  13. Ocean Joe

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    #763 Ocean Joe, Aug 13, 2013
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    All

    Plaintiff Swaters sought to seal the entire August 8, 2013 hearing.

    The Judge obviously did not agree to that, based on his August 7, 2013 Order, reproduced below.

    Read the other docket entries, read between the lines, and pair that up with the Court's willingness to televise and broadcast.

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  14. Napolis

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    Link to documents we can read?
     
  15. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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  16. Chris Gardner

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    As if it makes any difference anyway , what gives you the right to take the morale high ground by making maligning statement about me ?

    If you’re going to take a slanderous shot at me then step forward with your real name and attached as you posted mine. If you are that stong and sure of yourself then face me directly with your issue either publicly or privately – you choose. This goes for anyone.

    My email is [email protected] , and I am Chris Gardner .
     
  17. Chris Gardner

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    #767 Chris Gardner, Aug 19, 2013
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    The case between Swaters vs Kleve, et al , Case A1001370 of the Ohio Court has been dismissed today in Judge Nadel’s court.

    The Court found in favor of Swaters/Gardner, allowing Gardner to intervene in the case. All motions and filings summited by Ocean Joe , the Anthony Wiener of the Ferrari 375 Plus ordeal, were denied by the court.

    All motions, pleadings, filed by Ford , before todays dismissal were overruled by the Judge.

    The entire case was dismissed with Prejudice.

    The restraining order and the status quo orders have been lifted – the car is free to move, the parts will be re-united and the car will be sold by Bonham’s.

    The parts that are under court order in Ohio , have been ordered reunited with the Ferrari 0384AM. ALL the ownership documents, Clear and original Ohio titles , all the drawings, build sheets, old parts , spare parts, parts not used in the restoration, body parts, the original engine and the replacement new engine , photos, each of every piece from 0384AM – all are ordered re-united with the Ferrari 0384AM .

    Late last year I hammered out a settlement with Florence Swaters for my Ohio contingent of Kleeve-Lawson/ Ford . Ford nor Kleeve-Lawson were not present during any of the negotiations. Ford did sign our finial agreement with Kleeve/Lawson and that was enforced today by the Ohio court . The settlement agreement between all parties was signed and it is now governed by London High Court Law. Bonham’s was selected to sell the car at auction. The car will be sold clear and free of any claims. A full settlement has been reached by all parties .

    Ford, for those of you who don’t know, was a lawyer who held a fiduciary relationship with me during my illness. Ford's representation on my behalf included several transactions along with the purchase of the unsettled rights of 0384AM . He overstepped his authority and acted against my interest. His recent Ohio Court filng of false documents against me was the last disillusioned act of desperation. The Judge saw fit to dismiss the case and order the settlement enforced, throwing out all of Ford's motions and pleadings.

    I intervened into this case today with the permission of Florence Swaters to enforce our fair and equitable settlement in the interest of all involved. The case is dismissed, and 0384AM will be sold clear and free of any legal issues whatsoever.
     
  18. tomgt

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    :)
     
  19. dgrperformance

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    Congratulations Chris!!!! Hopefully this will finally close this chapter and the aggregation that came along with it. Looking forward to seeing 0384 back in action some day, hopefully the new owner will share it with the world instead of locking it away in some dungeon.

    Regards,

    Zac
     
  20. merstheman

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    The end of a saga (?)
     
  21. Terra

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    #771 Terra, Aug 19, 2013
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    That would be m-o-r-a-l (i.e. not morale) high ground.

    Where/when/how did I either "make maligning statement about" you, and/or "take a slanderous shot at" you?




    For the record, I wasn't the first to post your real name (i.e. visit the weblink contained in Post #715, Page 36 from Sean Smith on July 17, 2013).
     
  22. Peloton25

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    Just a bystander here so I never knew the full story of any of this mess beyond what can be surmised from the various contributors, but all along I have been rooting against Ocean Joe. Even got some flack for it on another forum. #ohwell

    >8^)
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  23. WilyB

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    Happy ending: congratulations.
     
  24. John B

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    Glad to see that Jaques Swaters and Garage Francorchamp's sterling reputations remain untarnished, and that all the proper pieces of 0384 get reunited. Truly a fascinating story.
     
  25. omd78

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    Maybe at 'The Zoute Sale' in Belgium next October Bonhams Auctioneers : The Zoute Sale ?

    Gr. Martin
     

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