Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

McLaren and Honda discuss road car collaboration | Autocar

It must be all part of a more complex strategy, coming right when Mclaren was bleeding, having lost Vodafone, not being competitive in F1 and not producing good balance sheets in the automotive.

Ron Dennis has been sidelined after the poor sales and I bet Honda had something to do with it too, and I bet mclaren won't pay anything for the Honda engines in F1.

 

What about the laps after the "record" ones?

Don't they both have to slow down to recharge the batteries? Contrary to the LaF?

Times will be worthless.

 

You have no idea what you are speaking about, this article means nothing but a technical collaboration somewhere down the line. Honda has no stake in McLaren Automotive, and Ron Dennis has not been sidelined. There is a new CEO at McLaren Automotive, Mike Flewitt who replaced Antony Sheriff. The P13 is well on its way to production has nothing to do with Honda.

 

But 918 has front electric motor functioning as a generator when braking. Its ability of recharging the batteries is much higher.

Here is what I quote from the news:
"Sport Hybrid mode is one click more aggressive ... The battery charge state in this mode is maintained at a constant level."
"The most aggressive street mode is Race Hybrid ... In this configuration, the battery's charge state fluctuates as energy is constantly being consumed by the motors and replaced by the engine."

So from what Porsche told us, if the car is not in "Hot Lap", charge in the batteries will hardly be used up.

 

The future will tell but meanwhile Dennis has become non-executive.

 

And in which mode you think it will lap the ring for the record lap?

 

Being so stupid as not being able to understand that finishing 12 OA in a 24 requires one to finish a complete lap is pretty stunning. Congratulations!

Our NS 6:51 was done during public Qualifying for the 24 and verified and reported by Automotive Press.

 

When verifiable scales and real watches confirm claims I'll believe them...

Best!

 

I spoke with Mike Flewitt just yesterday, did you? He came by to wish me well before he left to catch his plane back to the UK. Great guy - happy to have him leading the charge at McLaren Automotive and hearing about all the progress, even if, at the same time, I do miss Antony Sheriff at the helm.

Anyway, guess who Mike reports to today and in the foreseeable future?

>8^)
ER

 

The Bahraini owners, also responsible for Vodafone to pull out?

I'd take Honda over them any day of the year.

 

BTW, Peloton, you may be able to answer regards the P1.

How long can it keep on pushing before the batteries run out? 1 ring lap?

 

I'm not fixated on 'Ring times so I haven't bothered to ask.

>8^)
ER

 

Well, you have a point.

But the lap time difference between Hot Lap and Race Hybrid probably won't be that much.

Sure in Hot Lap mode you get more power than in Race Hybrid, but by only a small amount.

What Porsche estimated was 4 sec difference on Nordschleife.

 

This is the first production car where I feel like I've been able to see the effect of its stated downforce figures when watching it in motion. There seems to be a very clear cornering speed gain via the downforce.

It really does look GT3 fast. Very exciting.

Also--it looks ridiculously low. Does anyone know if it is moving at a road specific ride height in this video? Not that the car has been altered from production, but that it might be in a "Race" mode where ride height is dropped from standard street height. Just don't know much about this car yet.

 

McLaren have already secured a new title sponsor to replace Vodafone. Of course McLaren will not pay for Honda engines. That's normal when you become the official partner of an engine manufacturer. It was the same with Mercedes, it was the same with Honda in the 80's and early 90's, and the same with TAG in the early to mid 80's. This is nothing new or extraordinary in F1.

 

Ron Dennis 'sidelined'?

 

Simple....lack of brand cachet. Forget how much heat the LFA has taken for being overpriced despite the 10 year development?

 

All these systems are different but all are subject to the laws of Physics.

If you create electrical energy from the engine as opposed to purely from re capturing braking energy you will be slower.

On a Ring race lap of 8:30 (NS 6:51 +GP) we made about 50HP for 50 seconds which we used in 12 4s burst coming out of the turns lap after lap for 24 hours.

All of these will be slower on subsequent laps than on one hot lap as precharged they will make much more KERS power than they can simply from braking.

Battery life and replacement cost will be interesting.

Porsche is quoting 8 year battery warrantee and then 60K $ replacement.

AFAIK P1 and La Ferrari 2 year battery warrantee and replacement cost ???

AFAIK La Ferrari is "requiring" original owners to keep theirs for 18 months and IMO many will be resold after that date but before 2 year warrentee expires.

McLaren told me they'd reach 375 P1's , Porsche told me they think they can sell 918 and Ferrari is still showing La Ferrari and offering/allocating it in the US.

 

The P1 does not have regenerative braking and needs kers to fill up turbo lag.

918 can last only 1 lap of the ring in hot lap.

LaF always has surplus torque and is the only one that could do the same time over and over.

 

Not true.

Using engine torque to generate electricity does not create more overall energy. Using recaptured braking energy does.

There is no such thing as surplus torque under racing conditions. (Except under yellow or stuck in traffic but as that lessens fuel mileage it limits the number of laps you can do before having to refuel which at the Ring is a big deal over 24 Hours)

 

There is, as there is surplus power considering you're not constantly mushing the throttle.

How could you spin the wheels in lower gears otherwise?

 

You ever real race anywhere?

You at less than 100% TP often when you're on the throttle?

As neither P1, 918 or La Ferrari will ever race in a real race anywhere the comparison many will make will be their Hot Lap Ring Time.

Lets cut to the chase.

You think La Ferrari will be faster at the Ring than P1?

I don't.

You think it will beat 918?

I'm not yet sure that it will.

My new estimates are.

P1 6:46
La Ferrari 6:55
918 6:57

We shall soon know P1's time. 918 is already below 7. Personally I think it will be a while before someone goes for a hot Ring lap in La Ferrari.

We shall see...

 

So much talk about tech systems and laptimes... Sign of times, sigh...

 

For these cars 4 sure but general racing sports cars have much less tech.

After having been there and done that our next race car will be a lot simpler and smaller.

Our next road car will be too.

1000KG 560HP 3 pedal sequential, no KERS.

 

Napolis I find it rather controversial that on the one hand you say that when the stop watch stops, so does the BS, while on the other hand you make unfounded predictions about lap times. Personally, I would like to see a shoot out at Monza, Spa, Silverstone etc.