David Piper restores the Talacrest P4

The artist has the right.

 

Did Rembrandt have the "right"
to "correct" a Michelangelo ?

 

Huh?

EF built the P4.

 

You intimated that ONLY the "artist"
had the 'right" to change something.

Was EF (Enzo Ferrari) the artist ?

or was he the builder,
or the designer,
or the patron,
or what ?

In other words, who
was the "artist"
of the P4 ?

 

An automobile is, of course, the product of a studio, an atelier if you will. The master has the responsibility and ownership of its product.
Bugatti prefered "La Patron" but Enzo favored "Ingenere".
Nuff sed?

 

OK, let's go with that.......

848 can ONLY go back with the CanAm
body and motor.

If there is NO Can Am motor, than
the car will never run, since one "cannot"
install an "incorrect" part........

A 250GTO can ONLY be "refurbished" with
"factory parts," and "Factory methods."

No English wheel, only beaten panels......

How "far down the line" do we go ?

Can we put a 328 motor into a 308 ?

Guess not.

Can we change shocks to Ohlins ?

Guess not.

Better brakes ?

Guess not.

 

What is your point?
A string of statements don't make a coherent argument.

 

0848 was never a 350 Can Am.

0858 is a 350 Can Am with a 350 Can Am motor with replica "P4"velocity stacks and a replica "P4" header tank, an incorrectly made replica "P4" body and windshield.

As for the rest of your questions. Owners can do whatever they want to do. I personally think it's very important to document EXACTLY what they do but once owners start modifying they can no longer call their car original. In extreme cases I personally have removed all Ferrari Badging and put on my Families.

http://jalopnik.com/what-its-like-to-see-the-nurburgring-24-with-the-p4-5-1055447542

 

your missing the point. It is not about alterations to a Ferrari. It is about sacrificing a genuine and final remaining example of the 350 Canam to create a questionable P4. That has got nothing to do with installing aftermarket shocks or brakes.

 

I guess I understand better now.

We would prefer that the sole remaining example
of the model remain intact - and I agree with that !

If two (2) remain, can you modify one (1) ?

If three (3) remain, can you modify one (1) ?

Where is the line drawn.........?

 

Is he the ONLY one
that has the right ?

 

Have you read the rest of this thread?

 

yes

 

Then you already have your answer.

 

With almost 2,000 posts, and my poor
memory,I can't say I have your answer.

Please point me to the post(s)
that give me YOUR answer....

 

Getting on to two thousand posts most of the last nineteen hundred have been largely redundant. Excuse me if I don't add to them.

 

Jesus H. Christ, am I one of the few who sees this, that an actual Ferrari FACTORY built 350 Can Am car has been relegated to the dung heap in the hopes that someone with more money than sense of history will buy a replica for God knows how much in the misdirected knowledge that he/she owns an original P4? Or a Piper built P something or other? Because for sure it will not, nor ever be a P4, that train left the station a long time ago........

 

You could say EF did just that. Then go ahead a few years and ask who started the resurrection of those few truly great P cars and has done more than any single person over the years to be sure they will never be forgotten. David Piper. So for the naysayers out there just remember who pioneered the saving of these beauties and after some fifty years is still the protagonist. This thread wouldn't even be here were it not for David Piper.Just remember 0846 and most of the others would not be here today and in the condition they are in were it not for David Piper. Show him the respect he deserves.Then if you want to disagree with him at least it will come from someone who shows some knowledge of the complete subject. tongascrew

 

Riding on that train you have plenty of company so keep going because you all got on the wrong train and on the wrong track. The real train is doing just fine and has been on the right track for some 50 years due in many respects to the influence of David Piper. It's never to late to change trains in mid stream. At least you won't look so ignorant. tongascrew

 

I wrote this at post 1027:

Perhaps the most sensible from amongst the 1026 posts. There really is no easy answer, the dispute will never end since it turns on one's view of what Talacrest and David Piper should do. And in the end, it really doesn't matter at all, since Talacrest and David Piper will do what they will do and at some point in time a buyer will turn up, willing to pay a price that seller is willing to accept which will be "the market price" for this history-mangled Ferrari. For one thing on which we all can agree is that it is a Ferrari.

and this at post 1063:

.....and in another six months [substitute whatever number you please] we'll be at 1500 posts, we shall have decided precisely nothing and the thread will continue until six months after Talacrest finds a buyer at a price they will accept - the six months is to allow the thread to detox - and everyone will go home saying I told you so.

[obviously I was wrong as we are just two months later and nearing 2000 posts]

to which Timmmmmmmmy replied:

Nailed it my friend, best post on this whole thread.......


can we make it to 2000? and then button it until Talacrest actually sells the car, whatever it is?

 

For some reason, I thought this P4 (or whatever)
was going to be auctioned at the Pebble Beach
festivities.

If the car is to be privately sold, we will probably
never know the selling price, and most of
the discussion will have been pointless.

What's the story ?

 

Again, I agree with you. It is awfully ridiculous all of the debate and hate when in reality, apart from Jim, none of us are likely or could ever afford to purchase this car. If one can consider a car in a spiritual argument, I would suggest that we all be happy that the car exists, whatever it is, plenty of cars from that era were written off.

 

AFAIK that was never the plan.

AFAIK still for sale at 25MM$.

 

There are a number of FCHATTERS who could buy this car if they wanted to.

So far none have and talking about what this car is and isn't is all good.

It's also good that we disagree with each other.