Miura, the original supercar

Thank you, now the photos can easily be found.

 

Jo,

I'm somewhat amazed that a specialist like you didn't know that at least the 4 earliest Miura
were fitted with "350 GT" type identification plates.
Those had nothing to do with the standard and already pre-stamped Miura ID plates to which only the chassis number (4 digits) had to be prepared.
Regarding the particular location of the ID plate on 0862, this was also the place both 0706 and 0961's ID plates were originally welded to the frame (LH front).

 

Jo,

again my car has been air freight some 9300 miles away from Switzerland where it resides
and you didn't spend a minute with me looking at the car, at my documentation (I came along with Gerino Gerini's own archive) or asking me any question about it.
Both Gary Bobileff and David Carte (0706 "curator") have had a carefull look at 0862 and have been positively amazed by what they saw.
I got congratulations of many professional restorers, Miura owners and important collectors
but no Jo Sackey in sight. Was it that your "good friend" Simon Kidston's Miura was parked
next to 0862 ?.
Again if you'd have spent not more than 10 minutes looking at it, you wouldn't even ask any further question regarding its originality. Do you think people say at either Ferrari Classiche or Porsche Classic (examples) do just have a look on the ID plate to have a car certified ?.Surely not, isn't it ?
You said you've been told I would have stamped my car with a number 1 somewhere but to do what ???? To let people think 0862 was built over 0502, the first car ?
The first car (0502) was last seen on May 1967 and my 0862 was first displayed on the Bertone stand at the occasion the Turin Motor Show in November 1966, some 7 month before !!!!!!!!!
Better than that and, again I'm amazed you're not aware of that fact, the frame of the first car (0502) differs in many points from both the ones of 0862 and 0706 which are pretty similar to each other but again differs themselves pretty much from the following production cars.
Jo, in place of popping up at PB, looking at the car and celebrating the fact the Miura number 2 is back for the pleasure of most Lamborghini fans, you're just bad mouthing about it for a reason I can't explain. This car is not for sale and therefore you won't be involved in any deal here, is it the problem ?
I bought my first Lamborghini back in 1986 (an Espada that I still own) my first Miura SV back in 1997, restored my own currently owned SV in 2006 before I bought my LP 400 during the same year. This is to say that during all that time I amassed a beautiful collection of material hence the reason I'll surely publish a book with title "Lamborghini in colours, the happy years 1963-1973" showing a lot of unseen pictures which will just make Lamborghini fans happy. Here is the word, happiness (pleasure) and that's exactly what should "weld" the Lamborghini community together far away from all the many political reasons which make people behave a certain way that I personally don't understand .

 

Ex-Rod Stewart #4818 to be auctioned by Bonhams during the Goodwood Revival next month
Bonhams Auctioneers : Delivered new to Rod Stewart; one of seven right-hand drive examples; restored by the factory,1972 Lamborghini Miura SV Coupé Chassis no. 4818 Engine no. 30734

 

Owning car number 9 and currently doing a complete restoration on it, I have dove deeply into the differences between the prototypes, pre-production cars and production cars. As a fellow early car owner, I would love to see detailed pictures of your car, including number plates etc. The fact is that these early cars are a different animal from production cars and those that have not spent an inordinate amount of time studying them simply doesn't know what they are (hell, even if you do study them inordinately you wouldn't know them all; I've been studying the differences for years and I still find new things).

For example, your comments on the ID plate are of particular interest. There are very interesting details that are exactly the same on 1021 and 1024 related to the ID plates that are different to any of the production cars and appear to me to be applicable to only the pre-production cars, but I do not know if they also exist in the prototype cars. I would love to see this detail from your prototype car to see if there is an easy explanation for this difference (and a different ID plate might do that) or if your data plate and surrounding area looks like mine does.

I have absolutely no dog in whatever Joe's argument with you or this car is (not that understand its basis [nor care to]), I simply want to put eyes on the details of your car so that I can compare and contrast with my own and with what I have seen and documented on these rare and unique early cars.

Would you happen to have detailed pictures of you car that you can post? Please PM me if you want to keep things offline, which I would understand completely.

Did anyone take pictures of this car and would you be so kind as to post them?

Thanks.

 

Such a stunning car. I hope the new owner paints the wheels and sills back to gold.

 

Wonder why Rod Stewart sold it?

 

I saw your car and thought it was magnificent! Just stunning. I dont know, nor care what car it was 1 or 99...its a beautiful car and thats all that matters.

HOWEVER you hit the nail on the head with JOE...since he is not selling it, sold it, or representing it...then it must not be anything good...so sad to have this happen..

Enjoy your car...I would be proud as HELL to have that in my collection.

Thanks for bringing it all the way to the USA for many to see it and enjoy it.

Roy Cats Seattle, WA USA

 

I don't know if this is a valid allegation or not (now that it has been raised it is best responded to so as not to leave the sword hanging overhead), but questioning the validity of the ID plate of any car is a big thing.

 

for sure not Luca & Oracio Salvioli...

 

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Hi Joe,

Here is a question for you. Do you think the "Preservation Class" will still be around years from now?

It got me thinking looking at that photo, how many of us with any model Lamborghini that we drive would allow our air boxes (or anything else for that matter), to get in that shape.

I mean, most of us really take care of our cars and after every drive, we usually clean them up, take note of items that are starting to look worn, perform regular maintenance, etc..

Hard for me to believe that anyone that drives a Lamborghini today, would look at their air boxes and think "Oh, I'm not going to fix that. It adds patina and may add to the value down the road".

Don't get me wrong, I think there will always be a preservation class (especially for the older cars), but I see it not so much in the future of more current cars (Countach, Jalpa, Diablo, etc...) 20-30 years down the road.

Today, we all look at a Countach in bad shape and think "Wow, we are going to have to spend $75K to get it back to where it should be Cosmetically & Machanically". Boom, there goes any hope of the preservation class.....

Mike

 

to my eye, i think most cars in the preservation class are just partially restored cars.
ed

 

Hello,

Thank-you for the link with the pictures of 0862.
I've seen 0682 in the past and I can say that the finished work is incredible !!! wahooooh !!! Congratulation to the owner.

But concerning the picture of the chassis ID plate, I wonder if the mispelling MUIRA (instead of MIURA...) stamped on the plate is a period mistake or not ?

Bruno

 

The wrong spelling seems to have happened before
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Picture seems to show the plate on the side of the car (above the suspension), not at the front? Can you ask the photographer to confirm what I think I see in the picture (upper A arm, aluminum coolant line heading to back, thus plate appears to be on side rail?).

Keep in mind that Miura is not an Italian word, the car is a prototype so this is maybe the second data plate to be made, each letter gets stamped individually (plenty of opportunity for error) and plenty of people spell Miura as Muira (one notable misspelling was the Pebble Beach T-shirt a few years ago, sold at the Pebble Beach Concours event with Muira spelling). Misspelling is not an automatic indicator that it is not period correct, but it sure makes for an interesting plate.