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I believe I have the solution to slow F1 down and make racing interesting again

Discussion in 'F1' started by PSk, Aug 27, 2013.

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  1. PSk

    PSk F1 World Champ

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    I know many suggest we remove aero aid, but the real enabler for the current speed and boring on rails racing IMO is modern tracks are too smooth. This enables super low ride heights and stiff suspension, etc. giving the aero what it needs, consistent ride height.

    My solution is to return tracks to being "ROADS" (not public roads though) but normal bumpy roads not billard tables. This would mean they have to design the suspension for actual movement, aero won't work so well and ocassionally a (real) bump will catch somebody out and make racing interesting.

    If you think about the main differences over time it really is the quality of the roads. They used to be gravel, etc.

    What do you think?
    Pete
     
  2. curtisc63

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    That and steel brakes would go a long way to adding some real excitement.
     
  3. Igor Ound

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    #3 Igor Ound, Aug 27, 2013
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    Or you could make the air bumpy... Buahahahaha!
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  4. Mulehead

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    Make it 5 race pre tire rule it will save money thats what max would do
     
  5. Remy Zero

    Remy Zero Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Bring back the V10s as well :D
     
  6. PSk

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    Agree.

    Bumpy braking zones would mean they have to brake earlier and not as hard as today, this would potentially enable passing.
    Pete
     
  7. Turbopanzer

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    Return of fan cars!! :D
     
  8. Igor Ound

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    #8 Igor Ound, Aug 28, 2013
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    And you could make someone slip... By accident, of course.
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  9. Bas

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    I don't think any track wants to go through the trouble to actually make the track WORSE.

    When the new wings and 2009 cars where introduced, we where all told wings where going to be kept simple and designs clean. Look at all the **** they have on cars now, and compare a 2003 front wing with a 2013 one. Looks like 40 years of development in there.

    My solution is simple: Front wing, rear wing and floor can produce X amount of downforce (in FIA spec wind tunnel).

    Wider tyres.

    Mechanical non adjustable from cockpit differentials.

    Steel brakes.

    Obviously 3 liter V10s, all that extra powers for those fat tyres :D. (no, nothing to do at all with noise sirs :D).



    Haha!
     
  10. ConsultKeithYoung

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    In my opinion they could make lower grip tires.
     
  11. subirg

    subirg F1 Rookie

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    No point - that would just make Aero even more important... Less aero is clearly a good idea. As are V12 fire breathing monster engines. And wooden brakes.
     
  12. racerx3317

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    Steel brakes and full manual transmissions. Get rid of all in cockpit adjustments other than roll bars and brake bias. Also restrict aero and done deal. Bumpier tracks might work but it's not really feasable.
     
  13. subirg

    subirg F1 Rookie

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    Limit aero, provide tires that last at least half a race and re-introduce mechanical and drive train innovation. Reverse today's trend towards a spec series made up of an ever increasing number of insignificant tire limited mini-sprints...
     
  14. TifosiUSA

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    Why would we need to slow the cars down?

    They're already slow relative to cars a decade ago. A decade ago. Think about that.

    They are plenty slow. IMO, they need to be significantly faster, then we would actually see some drivers make mistakes and some excitement. As of right now, the drivers don't even have to work hard between how slow the cars are and the tire management.
     
  15. Bas

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    Thing is, the tyres do last half the race. Lotus and force india have both done it a few times this year when it was the quickest strategy.
     
  16. David_S

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    Too much $$$ to change the cars or the tires. Why not just install sprinkler/hose systems that will simply wet down portions of the track at predetermined (but not disclosed) times during the race?
     
  17. rcallahan

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    Slow them down? They should be the ultimate race car, steel brakes, manual gear box? Go watch NASCAR! :)
     
  18. kraftwerk

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    I do not think there is any quick fix, radical changes such as exploding tyres and tyres that do not last is not the answer either, and bumper tracks IMO am afraid Pete falls into that category, although I do see where your coming from. Opening up the restrictions on testing would certainly help.

    I have to say I like the idea of engineers trying and pushing to try and find new ways of exploiting the restrictive rules in car building.

    But I have no hard and fast answers but I'am working on it..;)
     
  19. tervuren

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    I have to +1 this, although the aerodynamics of this season of NASCAR isn't as good as last season.

    I like this idea - but do it for the whole race. :)
     
  20. carguyjohn350

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    Has anybody else noticed that a lot of people throw stones at NASCAR for being low tech and then talk about how F1 should go low tech? Just my observation, not directed at any single individual.
     
  21. Igor Ound

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    That's because shortening the gap the other way around would be too hard for NASCAR.
     
  22. racerx3317

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    You should watch some in car footage of an F1 race back when they had full manuals before discounting the idea...
     
  23. piolaxo

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    It was great to see drivers chasing others for a few laps and then all of a sudden
    the guy in front will miss a shift and then boom he'd be overtaken in a second.
    The inboard shots from Monaco showed this frantic action so well. It was a joy to watch.
    I do miss those right hand furious changes and with the turbo's, hmmmm, that was so good.
     
  24. TifosiUSA

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