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What is this noise? Any help is appreciated

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  1. drbob101

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    #1 drbob101, Aug 24, 2013
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    This is the beginning of trying to diagnose this noise. It started about three weeks ago after the header replacement. Initially I thought that it was a loose heat shield of some sort but I cant find or see anything visibly loose.

    I hear it like in this audio upon cold start up. I took it to Classic Coach to let them have a listen and of course it didnt make it there. I let the car sit for over an hour there but it still wasnt evident.

    Everything else on the car is fine. Shifts fine, no CELs, etc. The noise appears to go away mostly when the car warms up and gets hot, although now that I am attuned to it I believe I can still hear it then also.

    This audio was taken from the ground level right under the clutch. It kind of sounds like its coming from the clutch area but I cant say that is a definite.

    Thank you
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  2. plugzit

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    Sounds like something loose in there. Rotational. Sometimes a finger will break off the clutch and rattle around. More diagnosis....what causes the frequency of the noise to change? Does it change proportional to engine rpm? When the clutch is depressed? Load?
     
  3. drbob101

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    Thanks Bruce

    It does not change at all in neutral, clutch in and out.

    It goes away on neutral acceleration but seems to some back after awhile at increased rpm. Hard to be definitive on this, but does go away initially.

    It definitely goes away, emergency brake on, first gear, slowly release clutch.

    I was behind the car and wife was doing the above.

    It does not really seem to change much proportionately to RPMs. Pretty much the same rattling throughtout rpms

    It is hard to hear what's going on while driving with exhaust, road noise etc. as it isn't that loud.
     
  4. PKF355

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    Broken exhaust clamp?.....just a guess here.
     
  5. plugzit

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    Isolate it with a shade-tree stethescope. For "outside" noises, a length of vacuum hose pointed at various areas will help determine where the noise comes from. A long screwdriver placed against your ear and various areas of the motor or trans will locate "inside" noises. Be VERY careful to avoid contact with things that move or turn!
    Loose clamp is a good guess too!
     
  6. KJB355

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    Rattling exhaust bypass valve? The spring looses tension, but it can be adjusted at the rod on the vacuum unit.
     
  7. drbob101

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    I'm not sure it is the bypass valve or a clamp as it goes away as I said above when I put it in gear with the brake on. I'm thinking more drive train related but I'm open to suggestions.
     
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    Still trying to figure this out. It seems to be coming from the pumpkin in my opinion. I see how to change the clutch , removing the bumper , etc. but before I open the pumpkin to get at that I want to check the transmission fluid.

    I see in the wsm where the stuck is but I can't find it in the car. From the top I don't see it and from behind not on a lift I see nothing

    Where is the dip stick located and how to access it?

    Thank you
     
  9. plugzit

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    Did you use the shade-tree stethescope?
    Dipstick is attached to a bolthead on the drivers' side of the trans near the bottom. You access it from the top with a 17mm socket on a very long extension.
     
  10. tr512

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    There is a plate in the middle of the pumpkin with four bolts that has a bearing behind it that i've seen go.
    There is a 12mm hex nut drivers side by the c/v axle that is your dip stick when you remove it.
     
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    And you cannot get to it without removing the driver side air intake box
     
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    What kind of cats are on the car? If OEM it could be the core rattling around inside the cat. Is there any whitish power on the exhaust tips?
     
  13. drbob101

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    It sounds like a bearing noise to me. Can you elaborate on your experience with that bearing please? Have you replaced it? Is there anything unique to doing it?

    Here is the schematic on it. Are you referring to part #11?
    http://www.ricambiamerica.com/parts_catalogs.php?M=FE&P=&V=diag&I=1465
     
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    Yes i have replaced it,you have to remove rear bumper and bell housing.
    I matched up the bearing $ 65.00 part# NSK 3208b 2rstnc3 double row bearing.
     
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    Terrific information. Thank you

    Do you have a source for that part?
     
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    I live in canada,any bearing place will have it very common bearing.If you do have a problem getting one i can allways send you one.I lot cheaper than $ 260.00 with the ferrari TAX....Like i said it cost me $ 65.00
     
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    #17 nathandarby67, Aug 30, 2013
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    Go to autozone and spend $8 on a real mechanic's stethoscope like this. It is a H-U-G-E help with stuff like this. You will be amazed at the things you can hear with great clarity. I had a buzzing rattle noise that sounded a LOT like your noise on my 355 that I would have sworn was coming from the clutch area. Put my stethoscope on it and turned out it wasn't. It was coming from one of the little heat shields barely touching the junction of the Y-pipe and header. Whew! Took 10 seconds to bend the bracket just a hair to get enough clearance. I certainly wouldn't buy any parts before confirming the source.
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    +1
     
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    thanks for that tip. I have a super annoying noise in my RH door (i think) so I'm tearing it off this weekend and have a listen.
    I still have some odd rattle behind my head as well.
     
  20. drbob101

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    The thing with this rattle as I outlined above is that it goes away when I let out the clutch and step on the brake. (Load). It distinctly goes away. At first I thought it was a heat shield thing as well but it changes character on neutral acceleration and goes away under load.


    I am not looking for a reason to take things apart I just think its more than a heat shield rattle. I poke around again and go get the stethoscope as well

    Thank you
     
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    Bob, look up a company called "Motion Industries". They are a national supplier of bearings, etc. I'm sure they have a location near you.
     
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    I had the rattle since August and I was convinced it was from the pumpkin and a bearing of some sort. I finally got the car on my lift and the noise was definitely from left of the pumpkin which could only be the cat having ruled out other obvious things (heat shield, loose clamps)

    I got the cat off today and here's a little video of what was rattling.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DnJ52Wsyzs]355cats - YouTube[/ame]

    Note that the core is not broken apart and dusty, it's just loose. I did have 4032 and 4022 codes as well. I ordered hyper flows today,
     
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    Bob,

    Glad it's just a cat and not something in the drivetrain.
     
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    Good find. Now I know what to look for.
     
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    That's what the man said. Won't you listen to what the man said.


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