Ford GT crushes Ferrari in resale value....

See, what you're driving is a portly grand touring car. A wonderful car for that older refined gentleman who wants to take the wifey out to dinner in comfort and style. What I'm driving is a full blown race car. It's loud, hot, shakes, and rattles your eyeballs. It has zero creature comforts and will leave you ridden hard and put away wet at the end of a drive. Try not to confuse the real thing with a poser car. Big difference kiddies.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi9JapoWMWk]gt40 flyby - YouTube[/ame]

 

Most wouldn't consider a Ford GT to be a "portly GT car for posers". But then we've never driven a real copy of a famous race car on a track day before. I've owned "real" Trans Am race cars-neat cars that are loud...yada yada yada. They were really fast when they raced, beat Porsches and everything. They wouldn't have a chance on the track against that fat pig of a new Camaro in Z/28 guise.
Owned some pretty neat Cobras and "real" Shelbys too. They won't outrun a nicely prepped Z06 these days-I know, I own one of those too.
The old cars were loud and uncomfortable(real race cars too!), so I guess by that yardstick, they will outrun all poser cars like La Ferraris and the like?
Your replica is neat and I'm sure its fun at the track. Real race car? What professional series have you run it in? How'd it do?
Real race cars either ran real races back in the day or are entered in current competitive events with other "real" cars and drivers. Poser indeed.

 

Bla bla bla do you own or have you driven a FGT or do you just want to argue? Its all good either way just curious. A Ford GT is not a La Ferrari and probably would get beat by a new Camaro and for sure a Z06. Why do you guys insist on thinking the GT is a bleeding edge supercar when even when it was built it was designed as a grand touring car? I am a poser for sure and do not track my car. Never claimed different. My car though is not a poser race car like you gents make the FGT.

 

Uh, yeah you could say I've driven one. I've been a fan of the GT since I was flown back to Dearborn to give them my opinion on the car. The Ford was never intended to be a grand touring car in the true definition of the word. And it was (and is) most assuredly a Supercar.
Listening to the folks at SVT casually explain how they'd designed that Fed mandated bumper to be easily removed and the near unanimous admiration for the car(and its ability to handle ridiculous levels of power) back up the claim.
I have no desire to argue, but you insist upon making such a collection of nonsensical statements that I had to respond. The Ford GT of the 60s was(and is) a legend. One of my favorite race cars.
Performance evolution has, none the less, left it behind. Recently, Road & Track had an F1 driver test an F1 car from the late 60s against a bone stock ZR1 Corvette. While the F1 squeaked out a better lap time, I found this quote interesting:

"Still, the lap time speaks for itself: 2:17.51. A victory for the Lotus. But not a defeat for the Corvette. Our data showed the Lotus accelerating harder out of corners and hitting its top speed earlier on each straight. The two cars brake from the same speed in roughly the same distance, and amazingly, mid-corner speed is near-identical; through the esses, the Lotus and ZR1 were virtually on top of each other. In other words, while you can’t discount power-to-weight ratio, the 2013 Corvette ZR1 goes into and through a corner just as hard as the absolute best Formula 1 car of 1967.

Lap times are lap times, but if this isn’t a win-win, it’s hard to say what is. And think about this: As much as we revere what the Lotus represents, its place in history is fixed. Its time was legendary, but its time is over.

Not so for anything or anyone else here. The ZR1 has had its day, but there will be faster Corvettes, and soon, one will run a 2:17 or better around the Circuit of the Americas"

Of course, simply throwing sticky rubber on the Vette would have eliminated the difference in lap times. The point being, that the wonderful Lotus(the pinnacle of speed in the 60s) hardly had the measure of a bone stock Corvette. Amazing.
You own a nice copy of a legend. It might be faster on a track than some new sportscars and slower than others. Since you'll never track it-all a bit of idle speculation, eh?
Most here really like your car-no need that I can see to constantly belittle owners of newer Ferraris, Ford GTs and others that may not want to endure the DD compromises that your car requires for what may or may not be superior performance.

 

Very well written Steve, as usual. I read the same article about Alexander Rossi in Jim Clark's Lotus 49 versus the ZR-1 and it was a very informative read.

 

I'm tired just reading all of that. No belittlement intended. I respect older refined gentlemen seeking comfort & style. One day that will be me too.

 

Luke: Usually when you use words/phrases like "porker" "poser race" car most might conclude your purpose is to belittle. However, despite your protestation that you didn't intend to insult its clear by your apparent the "tongue in cheek" way you state it that you do intend to belittle the FGT and impugn it's status as not only a super car but an iconic super car.

I agree with ForzaV12. All good points.

While I'm talking out of my "backside" (again I'm sure said with the best of intentions...LOL) let me just point out a few little facts.

1. You likely have the MkII Spf Superformance GT. Technically, the new FGT really takes it's inspiration from the MkI which IMHO was a more beautiful design. Most agree with this but it is subjective. If I did buy a Spf GT40 I would likely get the MKI since it is the inspiration for current and likely last GT Ford (one of which I own and cherish) will ever produce, at least in our life time. Don't get me wrong, unlike you, this is not intended as a belittlement of your MkII. I love the MkII and think they are way cool and is more muscular in appearance for sure, as you would expect with a historical 427SO pushing it around as opposed to a stacked 289 hi po for the MkI.

2. The FGT was a super car and still is. Just as old super cars are still considered super cars today. I would put the original Ford GT in that category for sure since they were in limited numbers sold to the public. The difference is the originals were built as race cars first then softened and sold to the public. As noted when the original GTs were marketed to the public and sold to the public they made concessions to DD such as luggage compartments, locks for doors, radios, wire wheels, even extended rear clam shells to accommodate luggage which to some impaired aesthetics. The modern FGT makes all those concessions too as it was not first produced for racing but rather for sale to the public. You want a racing FGT? Look at the former Matech FGTs. Moreover, they campaigned at LeMans in 2010 and one was leading in class for 8 hours until it was hit by an LMP car coming out the pits. Lost the chance for a historic return and WIN at LeMans...but thats racing. Truly a testament to the cars chassis and design (power was of course naturally aspirated). How do I know. I was a sponsor of that car and followed the race..closely. Hearbreak is the only word.

The FGT still competes in current FIA competition and does so well. Not bad for what is at this time an 8 year old chassis and design.

Like everything else the FGT is becoming older and technology and design continue to relentlessly march on. Are there more "trick" super cars today? You bet. Don't have to look far. The 458 and McClaren for starters....but whether they will attain the universal automotive love beyond the love of their owners that the FGT has attained and the original GT has attained remains to be seen. The FGT became an automotive icon in its own time. Not many cars have done that. Not even the Shelby Cobra. While clearly the Cobra was recognized for their prodigious performance and feats in the 60s they were seen as clapped out race cars and yesterdays sports cars by 1969 until people in retrospect by the late 70s started seeing them in their true light. Automotive icons and historic and significant cars.

2. While I'm talking out of my backside...let me address the newer GTs chassis. It is an all aluminum extruded space frame that utilized friction stir weld technology covered by super plastic formed aluminum panels with a ship in a bottle fuel cell in the center of the chassis for geometric balance. No bad for guy speaking out of his back side, uh?
Lets compare that with the standard steel frame steel platform of the original. Not "belittling it, it was cutting edge in its day but clearly not as advanced has the its contemporary.

3. You stated that you "babied" your FGT beyond belief or words to that effect. Clearly inconsistent with someone who even remotely pushed their FGT. I have truly babied my FGT. Haven't made its tires squeal once despite the fact that it is lowered, put in the diff cooler, bumper delete, full racing exhaust (no more Cats thank God!), Heffner performance tune, short shift linkage, Hot buttons on the seats (yes they do help it go faster).

4. Yes, I have had one gauge go bad. My boost guage, but since I truly baby it, I'm not on boost that often anyway. LOL. But inexpensive and good replacement gauges are available from Speed Hut. Lets not make out your MkII as a Toyota Camry when it comes to maintenance. I have a Shelby Continuatin Cobra that is also constructed to near exact original spec with an original '65 427SO. These cars require tinkering from time to time. It's always something. My FGT has required less attention for sure.

5. Track times don't lie. The Nurembergring times clearly show the new FGT in stock trim out ran the original even wtih the likes of Hill, Amon etc..behind the wheel of the original car. Watching your Go Pro video I doubt that was Hill or Amon in the car chasing the FGT or in the FGT. Was that you driving the car chasing the FGT? Just asking. What kind of car was it? Were they really pushing 10 10ths, what suspensions were they running, engine mods, tires, other mods etc... etc...I have so many questions if that is your exemplar for comparison.

BTW did Ed cam his FGT? Sounded awesome.

 

Chatter about "My car is faster than your car" is all just BS. Kids never realize the single biggest factor for the performance of any car is the skill level of its driver. Equally comical is the prepubescent use of horsepower and weight figures to decide what car would win in a race, which again is complete BS . Horsepower and torque curves be dammed! What kids verbal assessment of an engine isn't more accurate than a dyno anyway? That table in the back of Road & Track was put there for kids so they can settle disputes at recess. Sadly R&T has never tested one of those SPFGT kits.

 

My Ford Gt when I bought it was called 505hp same as the Z06. Now Ford calls rgw DGT 55ohp whuch seems right.

I have sriven a Z06 and been in one driven in anger. The FGT is more powerful and it hold the road better than a Z06 when driven in anger. I hung out with some muscle car guys and one of the Z06 owners said " my Z06 can smoke the FGT easily" Normally I ignore that stuff but I said lets do it for titles. I have driven your car and no way will I lose and I do not even want your car. I will give it to, and I pointed to someone. He was smart and dropped the topic.

Now the ZR1 ia a different story, that car is just stunning.

Best

Lee

 

The Ford GT value appreciating is impressive, given the fact that it is a relatively new car. It is more in line with the F40's, F50's, and Enzo's. The production numbers are low compared to most makes and models. There are probably less than 4000 cars now with a fair number of them being wrecked. I believe they were going to build 4500 of them but it didn't happen because of a change in crash regulations. The GT is a supercar. It hit 211 mph on the Nardo test track in Italy. It has iconic styling. It has great power and performance. Low maintenance costs are also a plus. This car was built using a Ferrari 360 as a reference. I believe Steve Saleen was involved with the GT's production.

The GT40 replica's are nice as well. Will they appreciate in value, it is hard to say. Only time will tell. The only problem with these cars going up in value is that there a few manufacturers making them. Gelscoe, Holman & Moody, Dave Brown(Classic Car Developments), Goran Olsen(Sports Cars Se), Mirage, Superformance, and ERA. These are the more accurate replica's. RCR is close, but a lot less accurate. Then you get in to the tube frame cars which take liberties with the construction but retain the original shape. These cars require tweaking to make them right, and are only as good as the person assembling them.

 

What are you doing out here on the playground then getting your 2 cents in lol? You guys are so easy to wind up

 

There are only about 3000 FGTs left stateside.

 

I am pretty sure that Saleen did the asembly on the Ford GT. The engine, upgraded is now offered in the Shelby Mustang

Best

Lee

 

This is likely as much effort as I will ever be able to muster to reply to your thesis like posts. My ADD just doesn't allow anything more.

Since you already know what I have I will assume this is your way of asking me to post a picture of my beautiful SPF MkI again. You're welcome!

http://p2161.com/images/2013082500.jpg

What is a 427SO? You mean FE right?

I don't want a racing FGT no. I am on the FGT site too and am aware of the Matech car yes. Your FGT is a long way from a full on GT3 let alone a GT1 racecar. You sponsored the FGT forum sticker on the rocker panel yes along with a number of other FGT forum members. Cool stuff for sure! That was a fantastic trip from what I was told.

FGT has a great chassis yes. To call the the steel monocoque GT40 chassis "standard" is funny. I invite you to scan through some of these images of a Gelscoe under construction.

GEL W004 ? GELSCOE MOTORSPORT PRE 65 GT40 | Gelscoe Motorsport

I didn't subject it to grime but trust me it got it's throat cleared every time out.

Show me your source for lap times? Which video? The Honda running down the FGT? Not my video.

You're on the FGT forum yes?

 

A point I tried to make several pages ago that was lost on the FGT affectionados...

 

Since this will go on forever and its now just people repeating themselves I'll close by saying the FGT is a fantastic car. It does have a pickup truck rear bumper and dry sump Triton F150 engine yes but it is a beautiful machine. Out of the box they need to be lowered a couple inches so they don't have that donk pickup truck look to them which is what I did to mine. She was a beaut! I do miss her but the one in the basement now is so much nastier and fun in bed. You guys enjoy what you have whatever it may be. We're all car guys arguing over some very nice toys. Spent an hour changing the transaxle fluid this morning and going over it in preparation for a nice drive tomorrow at 6am before the masses clog the highways. I'll wake at 4am in the morning just like its x-mas eve!

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2SNgWpjULs]Ford GT - YouTube[/ame]

 

Not wound up, I just find it funny how peoples cars become legends in their owners mind. Loved Lee's story about the Z06 owner, too funny! Nothing like getting a reality check now and then. This thread sure needs one.

 

Exactly my thoughts every time I read the next FGT owner predicting their car will be worth a million dollars in 10 years...

 

A little FGT on GT40 action. My GT40 is nearly identical. Your FGT is not

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JgeStRQURY]Ford GT VS GT 40 Sound Comparison- Great Sounds-@Spa Francorchamps. - YouTube[/ame]

 

First thank you for the kind word on my Z06 vs FGT post.

You say "legends in their owners mind" I have gone way past that. I am a legend in my own mind

Luke, thanks for validating my thought concerning Saleens work on the FGT.

Best to all

Lee

 

Nothing wrong being a legend when we're all livin' the dream yes?

 

Lee

 

I always enjoy your thoughts on a car. You've owned and driven an amazing amount of cars. You tell it straight, if it's great or junk you just state it as fact with no embellishment or sugar coating and if someone questions what you have your fully willing to find out. Just a straight shooter in my book.

 

Fixed.

 

Many Ford V8s do sound fantastic.