Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

I belive 0-300 will be true, if P1 which has more downforce, less power and possibly as people say more weight can do it in under 17 seconds I dont see why Ferrari couldnt do claimed 15.5

Just my opinion

 

Thats exactly what he says in his post. that the F40 is the exception.....

 

Yes, that is what was said. What is also implied is that everything since then is a lie. That is the other side of the coin with that statement.

What is being said is that since the late 1980's, every Ferrari model has been quoted with power figures exceeding the actual outputs. Do you or anyone else here believe this to be fact? And if so please provide proof.

 

I bet you don't know what you are talking about. Seems You think Fchat is full of idiots rights ?
And I am sick with nausea to came back again on this argument.
Do you not like Ferraris ? Good
Change forum, so simple.

Luque

 

Actually they claim 15s.

As far as power is concerned, there is no proof of foul play. On the contrary, modern Ferraris frequently overperform.

 

Not true. Batteries don't store torque, and they don't store power ... they store energy. How that energy is deployed or drained, over time, dictates power delivery.

Power specs on 918 : 610 hp from combustion, 280 hp from electric = 890 hp total
Torque specs on 918 : 390 ft-lbs from combustion, 200 ft-lbs from electric = 590 ft-lbs total

Power specs on LaFerrrari : 780 hp from combustion, 150 hp from electric = 930 hp total
Torque specs on LaFerrari : 520 ft-lbs from combustion, 150 ft-lbs from electric = 670 ft-lbs total

(numbers are approximate, based on advertised data, accurate to no more than 2 significant digits)

Conclusion : Yes, the 918 batteries deliver more power and torque than LaFerrari batteries. BUT:

1. The Porsche batteries weigh about 4x more than the LaFerrari batteries (!) and yet they don't deliver 4x the power (or torque). Why is that, what's going on? Simple ... the PRIMARY reason why the batteries in 918 are so damn heavy, is to provide modestly-more power for a SUBSTANTIALLY longer period of TIME ... so the car can run on electric-power alone for longer, and thereby boast more impressive-looking carbon-emission specs.

2. Even though the batteries in the 918 provide modestly more power and torque, the combustion engine in the 918 is so much lower than LaFerrari's in both power and torque, that the 918 is still well below LaFerrari in both total (combined) torque, and total (combined) power.

Bottom line : LaFerrari has more total power ... and more total torque ... and much less weight, than the 918. Power matters. Weight matters. These two specs don't tell you everything, of course, but the 918 is starting at a big disadvantage compared to LaFerrari (and even McLaren).

 

Official figures for the LaFerrari are 800 CV from the internal combustion engine and a further 163 from the electric motor for a grand total of 963. The 918 claims a total of 899 CV.

 

Its allot more simple than that I think. The only thing Porsche is relying on is four wheel steering period. Its at a disadvantage everywhere else.

 

^^^ fair enough gents !!!

YES ... the simple fact is that the Porsche has LESS power (and less torque) than the Ferrari ... and yet, it weighs A LOT MORE than the Ferrari.

 

Lets all take a deep breath and wait until the cars are actually on the road and independently tested

 

Oh, why would anyone do that when there is tons of Jalopnik articles, hearsay, rumors and personal opinion fueled by bias to tell us which car will be better?

Might as well turn off the internet altogether...

 

+1

 

You saw 195mph in a 430? Really now? Really?? Wow. Must have been some 430 pal!!!

Why? Because my 2005 430 Spider didn't accelerate past 176mph in ANY event at a pistonheads VMAX day on an airfield using a GPS nav-speedo. Roof was up. Foot to floor and it would not go a any faster. Simple.
Think I'm bull****ting?
Bought from Dax Pearce, dealer principal at Ferrari Stratatone, Manchester, in Aug 2007, reg FJ55 JEU.

Chris Harris, probably the most respected motoring journalist in the UK claimed Ferrari were rigging cars? The guy who tests them for a living? The guy who earns money from testing them? And HE is the joker is he? Errrr ..... Ok mate.

There are some seriously rose tinted spectacle wearing fan boys on here. I give up.

To Luque: do I like Ferraris? Yes. I've bloody owned a load of them too! But I don't like Ferrari enough to tolerate their bull**** either. I've had some Porsches too I''ll add and they tend not to lie. Can't take take that? Tough.
Think they built 399 Enzo's too? One F-chat member has more Enzo chassis numbers than their promised production numbers!!!!!

I hope this LaF-able-name delivers what's promised. I know the Porsches delivered to the customers WILL. Perhaps Ferrari will follow suit for a change in which case the car really will be every bit as special as the hype!

 

Put your Ferrari on the dyno. The proof will be in your Dyno printout. Just make sure the correction factors are Real and dont flatter to decieve. (some fan boys would have you believe 90% power loss from engine to wheels! Hahaha!)

 

Well, to be fair, sometimes someone tests customer cars and gets similar stats as press cars, so it seems that Ferrari lies, but not always. And of course, they´re not the only ones who lie. I think that this horse has been beated to death in dedicated threads without reaching any conclusion and this is not the place for it.

 

this debate over perfomance is getting very heated. and we will have to wait to really know who is king of the 'performance hill', but I ask, mirror, mirror on the wall who is the fairest of them all??? EASY P1...and someone said it was ugly??....like Kate Upton is fat, lol
this could be the best looking street car ever produced. the 918 looks like a boxster with flairs compared to this while the ferrari like, like, well, I'm not sure but its not good looking other than its red paint...
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To each his own, but This is probably the best the P1 has looked. ^^^Black seems to be the color for that car. Every other color makes the car... well...not that good looking!

 

I don't think most of us really understand this car just yet but we sure as heck will when that time drops and all official times and numbers come to light.

 

Indeed it does. Not necessarily a bad thing.
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bwahahahah

Chris Harris? The most "respected motoring journalist in the UK" ??? hahahahah You've got to be kidding, right?

Let's see what else Chris Harris has claimed, in his (in)famous "rant" :

- "It says they're completely nuts –- behavior that looks even worse when rival brands just hand over their car with nothing more than a polite suggestion that you should avoid crashing it too heavily, and then return a week later." This fantasy idea that other "rival brands" don't send technicians to media track tests was proven WRONG shortly after his famous "rant" ... Chris was either lying or ignorant, no other choice.

- "But I've had enough of concealing what goes on, to the point that I no longer want to be a Ferrari owner, a de-facto member of its bull****-control-edifice." After this famous quote, by Harris himself, what does he do? Why, he goes out and BUYS a Ferrari 599 should we believe what he says, or what he does ??? With Mr. Harris, these are two very different things ... polar opposites, in fact

Sorry, Harris has ZERO credibility when it comes to Ferrari ... by his very owns words & actions. I didn't bring Chris Harris into this, but let's leave him out. Anyone with a morsel of intelligence already disregards any of his commentary on Ferrari.

 

Telling the truth in a single video does not change the fact that he may have misled in a prior video.

 

Telling the truth in a single video does not change the fact that he may have misled in a prior video.

 

History has proved that, well, those things prove nothing.

Compare a GTR to an Enzo. GTR weighs 700-800 pounds more and has less power/tq, yet is quicker.

 

How do you know that's the only thing? How do you know the car just doesn't have better electronics, sensors, and algorithms that make it 10x better? None of us have a clue what's going on with these cars. Drivers control two pedals, a steering wheel, and two paddles, and even then, what you get is based on what the electronics think you should have to some degree. These cars are analyzing insane amounts of data and doing a lot of stuff behind the scenes that none of us could ever know at any given time and probably never will no because it's proprietary.

 

Please feel free to absolutely IGNORE the weight of any new supercar you choose. And feel free to absolutely IGNORE the power too ... since you're convinced that power and weight mean nothing.

I, however, will continue to pay attention to such "meaningless" things ... even though, as I already stated more than once, I fully understand that they don't tell the whole story.