Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

These days they barely tell any of the story. The most significant improvements in road cars in the last 10 years have not been from power gains or weight loss.

 

I stand by what i've said : Power matters. Weight matters. But power and weight don't tell the whole story.

You disagree. To each his own

 

The P1 sounds great in the Jay Leno video ...
Pete

 

Boring, boring and boring.....

You can rant about the supposed rigging in the appropriate threads if you wish so.

Thanks

 

Don´t know if this is good or bad.

Probably bad.

 

not much better than 63 AMG

 

I personaly find the car hideous, and with no personality at all...i´m pretty sure itá a marvelous piece of engeneering, but does not ring any bells for me...the f.1 had so much more presence and beauty!! The p1 is simply vulgar.
The 918 on the other hand it´s a very pretty car, typical porsche but with a great presence.... The "la Ferrari" is IMO the most amazing off all, it´s very sharp, very beautifull, and by far the one with the biggest "flair". I never rally liked the Enzo nor the f50, so for me, it´s a big step in the right direction.

 

On the other foot Furoni, I personally find Ferrarilaferrari brain stopping bad looking, like a super model from the years 1940 who don't want to turn old so she has so much nip and tuck all over her body and face. Now she is like a terrifying sexy cartoon. You know Jessica Rabbit, yes? But I love the Ferrarilaferrari technology, yes this is what I call vulgar technology, it need 900 plus horses like Jessica need HHH (hyperhighheel) shoes. Total overkill, very nice! To scarey to marry but nice for a night to remember, very embarrassing to take to your friend party because she scream and she dance like a paid lady. Ok but good booty so is ok for 1 night. More no. She try to hard to look good.

 

Wow.


Credits: The McLaren P1 In The Desert Makes For Glorious Car Porn
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yes ... In which planet ? Mars ?
May you ask to who has seriously tracked an Enzo ?

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142552373-post2314.html

Sorry are you the same guy that wrote the post in the link, arguing about MP4-12c tires ?
No because I call it using double - standard thinking you are referring to ring time done by a seven years old Enzo with crappy Brid RE050A Scuderia.

Luque

 

It's enough to use the same criterion for judgement.
991 Carrera S supertest
[scans] AMS & Sport Auto Supertest - Porsche 911 Carrera S PDK (991) | German Car Forum
Check the wheel alignment (toe caster and camber ) are in german but you can easily understand
That Carrera S was setup for the track with values far outside Porsche's factory settings
You can easily verify how the wet handling was compromized.
So Porsche What ?
Where is Chris Harris ?

Luque

 

"WOW" what? Photoshopped flames?

LOL

 

No, that's the batteries self combusting. Mission accomplished!

 

Not necessarily.
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I was referring to the car's speedo but it's accuracy at 120 mph is just 3% off. Either there is something seriously wrong with your 430 or you ran out of space. 176 is very low and I have never seen a 430 not being able to top that very easily. That said, I was referring to the coupe.

 

Above 100 mph the Enzo decimates the poor GTR. Laptimes are a different story as you have to keep in mind that the Enzo uses obsolete tyres and in order to make a valid comparisson they would need to be fitted with the same compounds. It is much quicker than a 458 though when fitted with modern tyres.

 

At the Ring an Enzo can't complete one lap without overheating the Shocks. Hopefully they will have addressed that issue in La Ferrari.

 

more explanation on the power-to-weight issue ...

If you examine the lap times of a statistically-significant number of cars around any popular track ... the 'ring, for example ... i suggest that you will see a pretty strong correlation between performance and power-to-weight ratio. Will the correlation be 100%? Of course not ... power-to-weight doesn't tell the whole story, there are other significant factors as well : 4WD vs 2WD, weight distribution, gear selector technology, drag coefficient, tires, etc.

This means that you can always find a few select examples of cars with lower power-to-weight, out-performing a higher power-to-weight car. The correlation is not 100%. But it would be a mistake to conclude, based on these few examples, that the correlation between performance and power-to-weight is 0%.

The Porsche 918 is heavy ... and, statistically speaking, that excessive weight puts the 918 at a disadvantage. I'm not disputing the engineering execution of the car, i just think that some of the design goals that directly contribute to the heavy weight ... for example, the distance that can be driven on electric power alone ... are not what I'm looking for in a supercar.

 

I don't think that the LaFerrari has ever been spotted at the Ring. Thus I wouldn't be surprised if the car was not optimised for it. Then again they claim a sub 7 minutes laptime. Who knows...

 

Kind of hard to be sub 7m at the Ring if you've never been there and La Ferrari has never been there.

Still think everything Ferrari says is true?

 

Actually I do. You see, nowadays manufacturers use simulators to predict laptimes and they are accurate to a tenth of a second I have been told. Their simulations predict sub 7 minutes. They will have to prove it first of course but that doesn't mean they just made this time up. McLaren did the same thing after all.

 

Weak Sauce

 

Well, McLaren also predicted that they´d do 6:50 and so far apparently they only got 7:04.

 

You are absolutely correct! The simulators are used at length and - of course - not only by Ferrari.

The 599 XX predictions (not only for the Nordschleife) were spot on.

Jim will never live down his frustration at Ferrari, so the discussion is never-ending from that view point! At least he and Jay Leno can commiserate on what a wonderful car their P1 is, but perhaps it could be done on another forum? This is for Ferrari lovers not jilted ones!!

By the way, what makes you think the F150 hasn't been to the Nordschleife? Because they didn't call you to tell you? Must be that!

 

Has it been?