Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

That surprises me. How long have Ferraris been winners? Surely less than 5 or 2 years ... ?
Pete

 

Actualy since the 430vs997 era, the Ferraris are more sucesfull in GT racing the porkies... in the top category GTE they have the same number of Le Mans wins, more Sebring wins. similarly distributed championships.. While in the lesser categories ie GT3, international gt open etc ferrari's are much more sucessfull..

 

Yet, using the performance in sports car racing as a measure of excellence is naive with all the BOP, the differences of budget, factory support... Of course manufacturers do a lot of PR effort to make us believe the opposite.

 

At Le Mans this year the Porsche Sport Cars won again and next year unlike Ferrari who hasn't finished First OA at Le Mans since 1965 Porsche will challenge in LMP 1.

The AF Ferrari Team blamed BOP.

Losers always do.

 

For a long time. The 458 dominated its era and the 430 was also a winner.

 

Well, in fairness, they are not alone in their critizism

Nigel Dobbie: The Balance of Power at Le Mans 2013 - CorvetteOnline.com

 

Pro-Am: 2011, 2012 titles
Gent: 2013 already in the bag

 

Spoken like a true winner!!! Jim, coming from someone who has only ever won races where his only competition was to finish, that is an amazingly asinine statement. The BOP is an absurd regulation as it is not the same rule for everyone.

If you want to compare the comparable, when was the last time a Porsche F1 car raced? Around 1965.... When was the last time a Porsche F1 car won a world title? Never!

Until further notice, F1 remains the most competitive form of racing. LMP1 is great and Porsche only have to beat their cousins at Audi and maybe a French run Toyota.

By the way, where was the Audi chassis built? In Inglostadt would appear to be the answer! Well, no... In Italy...and not by those amateurs at N Technology!

I think you should go create a "I hate Ferrari because they weren't nice to me" chat site where you can stomp your feet at your frustration because sticking around here is only making you appear even more silly than ever!!

 

Thanks, thus this is a recent thing. Well done Ferrari. I wonder how much reengineering and prep goes into either ...
Pete

 

And there is the 1991 Formula 1 engine, which proved to be nothing short of a total disaster.

 

You do realize that F1 rules are so tight now that it is extremely close to a single seater version of NASCAR and also they relax the engine development freeze if you are struggling so F1 has its own form of BOP.

You wait for next year. The team that builds the best 1.6 turbo engine will have its development frozen first while the others catch up ... rubbish IMO.

It's not the best form of Motorsport and hasn't been for years, but its marketing potential is why they are there. Very sad.
Pete

 

The TAG one was a beaut though

Selective memories
Pete

 

Yes and no. There are innumerable GT championships. The ones cited are the Blancpain Endurance Series - currently the most competitive.

However, the 360 won titles as did the 430, especially in GT2 spec. Since the arrival of the 458, Ferrari have pretty much won everything including the World Championship in 2012 (and the GT class at Le Mans).

The GT3 and GT2 cars are very sophisticated racing cars. Ferrari is however, one of the few (maybe the only) manufacturer not to field a works car, so the repeated successes take on real value when considering the quality of the opposition.

Finally, to hear anyone be critical of AF Corse, who have the most impressive track record out there, is simply unfathomable .

 

as can be seen hardly a fault of the BOP system ... Corvette racing obviously did something to make their own cars slower as their restrictions had not changed!

But in any form of Motorsport, including F1, it is what goes on behind the scene that matters most and in F1 its best to be mates with Bernie and have the right driver that will impact his TV audience and thus back pocket and keep him happy.
Pete

 

I was referring to Porsche the car manufacturer, not Porsche the engine supplier. When the engine was called a TAG it was excellent. When Porsche tried to do it on their own budget in 1991 it was, how should one say, a dog!

There is more to F1 - and always has been - than an engine.

 

You Fan Boys are funny.

We beat every McLaren and Ferrari that raced in 2012. The Ferrari's never even started as they were so slow in practice. (5 McLarens did) We finished 12Th OA out of 160+ cars.

Ferrari has Never won the 24 Hours of Nurburgring. Should you or any of your Ferrari race team Buddies show up to race we'll be back at the Ring in 2015 as a Constructor and will be happy to accommodate You/Them.

This thread is about La Ferrari vs P1 vs 918. 918 is under 7 (B2G), P1 is at 7:04 (B2G) and La Ferrari hasn't yet showed up.

Instead of Bench/Simulator racing La Ferrari's Ring Time why don't you show up at the Ring in one and show us whether or not it can run the time Ferrari said it could?

"N Technology"?? Your posts are getting sillier and sillier. N Technology had nothing to do with our 2012 car. The Company that did makes parts for Red Bull. Perhaps you've heard of them?

 

Incorrect , In the mid 1980s, Team McLaren dominated Grand Prix racing with their carbon fibre MP4 chassis and their Porsche-built TAG Turbo engines.

Between 1984 and 1987, TAG powered McLarens in the hands of Niki Lauda and Alain Prost captured 3 World Championships and scored 25 Grand Prix victories. Dominated the seasons .
But I agree porsche better at endurance and Ferrari better in f1 .

 

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Porsche has finally let released all of the details on the 918 Spyder, the German brand's challenger to the McLaren P1 and Ferrari LaFerrari, after months of leading our poor, performance-loving hearts on. The covers were lifted at the Volkswagen Group night, an enormous precursor to the Frankfurt Motor Show, and include a massive, 11,000-word press release that's attached at the bottom of this page.

The 918 Spyder features a mid-mounted, dry-sump-lubricated, 4.6-liter V8 engine that generates 608 horsepower when left to its own devices. Combined with a trio of electric motors, which produce 286 hp, the total system horsepower for the 918 Spyder rests at 887 ponies. That's less than the McLaren P1 (903 hp) and the LaFerrari (949 hp), but the Porsche is also likely to be a bit cheaper, starting at $845,000, while the McLaren will be in the seven-figure range for certain, and it will more than likely be joined by the LaFezza.



The 918 Spyder counters with a 2.8-second jog to 62, a 7.7-second run to 124 and it will hit 186 in 22 seconds.
And that's kind of the theme with the 918 Spyder - it's a lot of everything, just not as much as the competition. The LaFerrari and P1 can hit 62 in under three seconds, 124 in under seven seconds, and be doing 186 in 15 and 17 seconds, respectively. The 918 Spyder counters with a 2.8-second jog to 62, a 7.7-second run to 124 and it will hit 186 in 22 seconds. We don't know about you, but for over $150,000 less, we can take a few extra seconds to reach 186 mph.

We know it's quick, but how is it as a hybrid? Quite good, by the looks of it. It'll toodle along on electric power at speeds up to 93 mph and will get anywhere from 10 to 20 miles per charge (admittedly, not while doing 93 mph). It can be charged in four hours on a German 230-volt outlet, which means times should be similar on an American 220-volt plug. A DC fast charger, which is an optional extra with the 918, can recharge a drained battery in 25 minutes.

We'll have much more on the 918 Spyder, including live images from the show floor, tomorrow. Until then, take a look at the press release down below if you're in the mood for some light reading, or hop over to the gallery for images of the finalized 918 Spyder.

http://autos.yahoo.com/news/porsche-918-spyder-revealed-887-hp-78-mpg-194307090.html

 

Amazing!! Did you know that there were other (and much more important) races than your beloved Nurburgring?! Guess not!!
I suppose that racing (if you can call it that) in an event where there are no real regulations and where chucking an obscene pile of money at it so as to finish is the beginning and end of it...so that you can bash your head against Ferrari - who are severely unimpressed by your tantrums!!!

Go to a Porsche site or a McLaren site but please go away from here. We love Ferraris here and we certainly do not care for bad losers who denigrate our favourite manufacturer.

Time to exit. Surely you need to focus the time building your new car that is going to race in 2015?

 

+1.

 

Funny. I'd rather sit around and chat with him about cars, so I hope nobody goes away.

 

It's easier for privateers to run 911's, or there wouldn't be so many of them. That usually just means the cars are more reliable, less of a hassle to work on. And cheaper, too, and I don't mean just the purchase price, but maintenance as well. And the nice thing with Porsche is they win more than occasionally, too. So they are undeniably very very well engineered cars. It doesn't guarantee a win, but how many grids have you seen lately with more Ferraris than 911's starting? What about finishing?

A soft drinks manufacturer has been handing Ferrari (& the rest of the field) its ass for the past few years in F1 by "chucking obscene piles of money into it." Not that Ferrari hasn't, either. I wonder what'll happen when Phillip Morris pulls out.

Something to think about.

 

Me too.

 

Waitaminute!!??? Adrain Newey is a soft drinks manufacturer!??? : )

 

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