Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

How have these tests not produced any pics that have showed up here on F-Chat, unless I've just carelessly missed them?

 

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No mention of any Ring time from Porsche at their party tonight in Frankfort but posters who bought one are sticking with 6:48 time and that Porsche will announce it tomorrow. I agree that time seems a bit hard to believe but who knows?

If it really did a 6:48 that will sell a bunch of them.

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Ferrari tested the cars in camo for months at different tracks and no photos showed up.

 

Do you use McLarenlife or McLaren forum?

 

I think you will find that McLarenLife is the only one with any signs of life at this point.

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According to the German press Walter Röhl did a 7.00 but is not willing to drive it at 10/10ths anymore and factory driver should be faster.

 

Absolutely! But if only he did "chat about cars" and not about his obsession with the Nurburgring and his hatred for all things Ferrari, since they told him "NO"!

The point of this forum is for people who are Ferrari fans - be they owners or not - can exchange views and passions about a car that represents a dream to them.

Mr. Glickenhaus - a former Ferrari fan - was jilted by Ferrari and as a result has taken to criticising anything Ferrari as often as he possibly can - on this forum. If he is truly admirative of either the P1 or the 918, there are forums that will welcome him (as will both manufacturers who are having a slight difficulty in selling their cars). However, it is clear that all Mr Glickenhaus wants to do is stomp his feet in anger at Ferrari by being critical - to the point of re-inventing history along the way.

It may be fun for a moment, but not beyond.

I am a Ferrari fan. I have always been - even through the leanest years. I am lucky enough to have what I think is an interesting collection of them and there is no greater pleasure than to share that passion.

I have little to say about the Porsche or the McLaren as it would not cross my mind to buy one and I am awaiting my F150 like a kid in a candy shop. I hope that emotion never goes away or that I become blasé about such amazing machines.

We are on the brink of a new Supercar. Lets enjoy every second of it!!

 

Such a pity you have to hear any dissenting opinions on the greatness of Ferrari here at FerrariChat.

I'm a fan of Ferrari, I think everyone here is in some respect, but they aren't perfect in every way and unfortunately for you this discussion forum will be used to discuss the ugly aspects of the brand, their cars and their politics as often as is necessary.

Everyone has their own experiences to relate and seeing things from all perspectives improves the discussion, and hopefully improves the brand and the way the corporation of Ferrari (who should be listening) will work, produce and behave in the future. You're clearly on the A-list and choose to play by all the rules so of course you see little to complain about and have a vested interest in defusing any negativity.

You may think your special with your collection of red cars Mr Mann and good for you - we should all be so privileged - but Jim is more than just a Ferrari enthusiast wearing rose colored glasses all the time. He is an automobile and motorsport enthusiast, a purist with a great passion for history, and the lengths he goes to in sharing his current pursuits and his passions with the world are like no other. I am a proud supporter of Jim and would rather listen to what he has to share than what you have to offer any day.

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On the contrary, I do not think I am special - far from it. That I am fortunate to have an immense privilege - Yes.

The issue here is one of sharing a passion amongst people who are enthusiasts. There exist enough forums for those who wish to simply criticise.

As I have nothing more to "offer" than a true passion which can only be one if it is shared, I encourage you to listen to Mr Glickenhaus' attacks on Ferrari elsewhere.

Ferrarichat is a forum where we the Tiflis can share a passion, not express a frustration through unfounded criticism.

 

Again - you have your perspective and he has his. Neither is necessarily wrong - just different. I believe if you asked Rob, the intention of this forum is not a Ferrari lovefest. If you wish to have a forum like that, build your own.

Anyway, Jim doesn't require my defense here. Put him on 'Ignore' if you can't stomach his contributions. Plenty of us appreciate all that he has to share - the good and the bad.

Keep in mind you are posting in a thread titled "Ferrari F70 (LaFerrari) vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918" - it is intended to be a discussion of the merits and the perceived disadvantages of all three new hypercars and may contain opinions that you or I or nearly everyone might disagree with. If that discussion doesn't interest you then again, you need not click.

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Back to the discussion - Porsche have just announced 6:57 as the official Nurburgring laptime for their 918 Spyder at the IAA in Frankfurt this morning.

That's decent.

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I wonder if it would be possible to produce a road going car that could challenge Bellof's NRing time of 6:11(qualy) or 6:25(race)?

 

Apparently, it was done without the adaptive rear wing. So a few seconds faster time might be doable.

 

It would be a mighty technical challenge and would almost certainly require some non road legal bits (e.g. slick tyres). I would also require a professional driver with balls of steel and an intimate knowledge of the track. Unlikely to happen anytime soon. And - there is no way that an amateur would be able to do that sort of time. Zero. It is unlikely that any amateur will get close to the claimed Ring times for LaF (if it ever happens), 918 (less than 7 mins) and P1 (likely similar to 918 we suspect).

 

Amazing time. So that would make BTG time what? 6.45 isn? Utterly ridiculous super fast time. Congrats Porsche and well done! Would love to see the video of that ride!

 

Fan Boy I know it broke your heart when our car destroyed your Beloved 599XX at The Ring and I had no interest in joining your events in France but you need to stop ranting and spouting nonsense.

Bizarrely insulting NTechnology who once again had nothing to do with our 2012 car that destroyed your Beloved but as the Official Alfa Factory Team did Win many Championships is pathetic. Your dissing of The 24 Hours of Nurburgring: "I suppose that racing (if you can call it that)" Speaks for itself.

You need to stay on track. This thread is about La Ferrari vs P1 vs 918.

 

You have to remember that when Stefan made that run the course was a LOT smoother. He also got a huge tow from an identical car driven by Jacky. As the course was a lot smoother you could run a lot lower and generate a lot more downforce.

You also have to define road going car. A Radical is technically a "road car" but it's a lot less of one than La Ferrari, P1 or 918.

The 918 is at 6:57 one second faster than Ferrari's fastest to date and the Ferrari 599xx that went 6:58 was a track toy not a road car so road cars are getting faster but IMO Stefan's record is probably safe. HP told me he hopes to get below 6:40 with a road car and we're shooting for that benchmark with our next road car but every second bellow 7 is geometrically harder.

 

re: "balls of steel"

Think about racing The Ring in day in something like this.
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How 'bout a road going version of an LMP1 car.
R18 TDI e-tron quattro weighs in around 800 kilos, with the heavy diesel and hybrid drive and without the ballast.
With a lighter petrol unit and no hybrid drive, it could probably be made to weigh close to 700 kilos, empty.
Making it road legal and comfortable enough to be used on a daily basis would be a challenge, I admit.

 

if Ferrari wanted to build a fast Ring car they could and would.

last i check ferraris are faster than Mclaren in F1 with Porsche nowhere to be found.

so what's with all this cxck swinging about who's faster around the Ring?

I and several other LF owners don't give a rats azz about Ring times.

if we're in the market for a soup up mp4 or obese porker we'll give you a ring.

 

Et tu Peloton ?
You disappoint . hohoho

 

Sorry, but the LaFerrari now is "nowhere to be found". Hopefully they can sort their sh*t out soon, because the competition from Woking and Stuttgart is leaving them behind.

 

Well, I don´t understand why everybody is so alarmed about this. The Ferrari was presented later than the others, so I suppose it´s quite normal that the final car is also finished later.

 

LMP1's work well on smooth tracks less so on rough ones like The Ring and Sebring. The design of LMP1's have a lot of thru body/chassis aero flow which makes them a bit extreme as they are for road two person use. LMP1 elements, narrowing of the fenders and low tails can be found in both La Ferrari and P1 and those elements make them faster but compare the width of La Ferrari's cockpit with Audi's LMP1 cockpit and think about fitting two large people into it.

Lighter is the Key and that the direction we're heading. A realistic goal for a real road car is is 1000KG and about 550HP. If all things aligned I could see 6:40 but lower than than IMO won't happen unless there was a massive repaving of The Ring which I don't see. The Audi LMP1 is amazing and should you ever get a chance to check it out in the Carbon it's well worth the trip.

 

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