Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

The LaFerrari and P1 started testing at the same time. We've seen LaF prototypes even before the P1 to be precise.

 

True. It will be interesting to see if Ferrari's "Under 7" and "0-300KPH in 15s" are more than words on a placard.

So far of the Three only Porsche is under 7 as P1 is at 7:04.

 

There is that.

 

Not only that, but pretty much half the Ferrari Museum in Maranello has been turned into a LaF showcase detailing all aspects of the car. Too bad a large part of that showcase is still make believe I guess...

 

I find this funny as hell.. We have a grown man arguing with a entire community, and if anyone calls him out he's a fan boy. No, you are a troll, possibly the eldest troll in internet existence. Go grab a hobby, rebuild a 917 or whatever floats your boat, just quit trolling these forums, with your half assed assumptions, BS interpreted facts, and so called evidence that no-one here cares 2 cents about.

 

congratulations Porsche, very impressed!

 

That is a problem, but easily solved by putting just one seat inside.

I'm planning a 2015 trip to La Sarthe.
I think it's possible to go under 1000 kg.

Sesto Elemento weighs around 1000 kg, with Gallardos AWD and V10. AWD is worth some 60-70 kg, and that V10 is quite heavy at around 220-230 kg. With a clean sheet design I think RWD Sesto Elemento could be brought down to around 900 kg.

 

Well that escalated quickly.
bit too aggressive there?
Have some respect for the guy and if you don't like his posts, ignore them, easy. 99% of the community likes to read them.
You just need to calm your tits and try not to offend people next time you post.

 

Mmmmm... sure? I don´t have the facts but I remember seeing pics of "strange" MP4-12Cs since a long, long time ago.

In any case, we´re talking about some months of delay. I´d be worried if the car is released one or two years later than planned like the Bugatti.

 

I'm really hoping some time around January-February.

 

Ok, now here's a logical post. If Ferrari said that LaFerrari is 5 seconds quicker than the Enzo on Fiorano, that's about 1:19-1:20.
599XX has done a 6:58 on the 'Ring and 1:15 (?) on Fiorano.
Porsche's 918 did 6:57 on the ring so that translates to around 1:15 on Fiorano, same as 599XX thus the 918 is able to lap Fiorano nearly 4-seconds faster than LaFerrari?
Confusing. Discuss!

 

Also Mclaren being very hush hush about how long their car creates the full 900 hp and the recharging on the drive rates .

The 918 went in to the pits ( after my track session ) with MORE E Power than we started with . We really need these aspects clarified , being fast for a few minutes isnt going to cut it imo .

I also doubt Chris is the driver for the job , P1 in the barriers at the ring in the next few days anyone ?

 

Not exactly a great 50th celebration week for McLaren; 9th and 11th at Monza and Porsche steals the glory over the P2...
Just hope no one gets seriously injured as Mclaren inevitably has an 'upgrade' now; and Ferrari knows what needs to be done...really glad to see Porsche do this though....
Kevin

 

remember 918 dis 6.57 on road legal and rated tyres . my understanding is XX is slick shod ( though I am happy to be corrected ).

918 does 6.48 on non e rated tyre .

 

A lap time around a track is not transposable to others necessarily, specially when we´re talking about unusual tracks like these two.

Someone a long time ago made the numbers, comparing the laptime around Fiorano and Nurburgring of an Enzo with the supposed lap time of LaFerrari at Fiorano, and in theory, LaFerrari should be doing around 7 min. at Nurburgring. All BS at this moment, of course.

 

The IPAS boost lasts for almost one minute when fully charged.

 

so the rest of the time you have a 740 hp car ?
how long to recharge or does it need plugging in ?

 

And turbo lag, presumably.

I bet if the 918 kept going, the following lap would have been over 7:30 after the batteries discharged themselves in hot lap mode. Worse still for the P1 that doesn't have regenerative braking and needs power to fill the turbo lag.

Also remember Ferrari has a design they keep secret for something special which could also mean something faster

 

No, because it's always recuperating lost energy from the engine and so on.

 

yes , i forgot about the boost / lag thing .

battery on 918 does not discharge itself . that sthe point , even in hot lap the only difference is the ratios are changed . the brakes , coasting all recharge the battery as well as the engine . the engine is like a generator , it over produces and sends the rest to the battery.

yes but at what rate , for how long ? why no details ?

 

Here's the lap chaps.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QClp2Y4Z-tw]Porsche 918 Ring-Rekord: Onboard mit Mark Lieb - YouTube[/ame]
I timed it myself and got 6:57. Sometimes manufacturers lie. haha
Good on you Porsche!

 

It will need to recuperate quite a lot of energy from the engine "and so on" for one minute of boost, especially if you're pushing.

With all probability it will run out of electric power after a few minutes when pushing hard and with all probability they will have tuned this time for a quick lap of the ring so that the owners will have something to say to justify spending almost 1 million on an mp4 and people will feel obliged to report such meaningless ring times on this forum ad nauseam. Now if the 918 is faster that should shut them up!

BTW Bmw i8 with a similar but less powerful hybrid system can't manage one full lap of the ring pushing.

 

The back end is planted

 

Surprised he isn't wearing a hans on a lap that fast.

 

looks very stable