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  1. ForzaV12

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    Thanks

    Agreed.


    Lee, you might want to check redlines of the latest Chevy pushrod V8s. My C6 Z06 was redlined at 7100 stock and easily goes 7500 with minor mods. The LS6 in earlier versions was redlined at near 7k and was tested for 100 hours at 6900 RPM by GM during its development.
    Even my C2 Corvettes were redlined at 6500 RPM way back in the 60s(and they'll happily go there and beyond-ironically, the Maserati OHC V8 of the period redlines at 5500. Pushrod race versions of domestic V8s rev to 10k and beyond. I own an experimental NASCAR Hemi produced by Chrysler in the early 60s that was designed to rev to 9500 for a 500 mile race!
    Not only can modern pushrod engines rev, they are also smaller, lighter and more fuel efficient in many cases. BTW, the new C7 is a pushrod V8.
     
  2. CK7684

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    #327 CK7684, Sep 7, 2013
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    +1...I also agree with Forza on past vettes though. The less than stellar performers were in an era of fuel crisis, new emissions regs & 55mph speed limits, but still hit that all important emotional chord as these were some of the best selling cars :)
     
  3. CK7684

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    ...I also just read that the C7 may be getting 38mpg on the highway...
     
  4. jimmyb

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    Jason,
    38MPG is a stretch for an ENTIRE trip. There is no doubt that a C7 on the interstate in ECO mode (4 cylinder) is going to return amazing mileage. Certainly, if one resets the mileage meter once you're up to cruising speed, you will see some amazing numbers. Someone did that with a C7 and showed slightly more than 40MPG for a 26 mile run on the interstate (averaging 70MPH!).

    In my C6, the car would routinely show 28 - 29 MPG on a trip, that being done by resetting the mileage meter when leaving the house. Resetting it once you're on the highway, my C6 would show 32 - 34 MPG, but that's not as accurate since you had to GET to highway first, if that makes sense.

    Jimmy
     
  5. leead1

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    Steve this just shows how dated I am. I went out and looked at the 427 Vette that I just bought new. it is a 2013. The red line is 7k revs.

    When I get a chance I will look at my 1965 Vette to see the Rev limit. I thought it was 5500 or so but you are probably right there also.

    I think the 458 Ferrari limit is 9500 but I had better check that. I will also check the mclaren.
    Now you got me curious

    best

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  6. CK7684

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    Makes perfect sense...still pretty amazing for a 450hp car, imho
     
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  9. Vinny Bourne

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    I like cars, not any particular brand or time, just cool cars of all types. This post is for enjoyment and info, not to say anyone is wrong.


    The C2 split window is right up there with jag D types and ferrari's of the era imo. I was lucky enough to get to look one over once and it is much more impressive in person than pics.


    http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr349/ndubs77/Michigan%20Stuff/IMG_6152.jpg?t=1340071179

    1963 Chevrolet Corvette Sting Ray 'Fuel-Injected' Split-Window Coupe | The Don Davis Collection 2013 | RM AUCTIONS







    When gas was .28 cents a gallon who cared about fuel mileage. The whole muscle car era of the 60's could fill a college major course curriculum, there is so much to know, but i do know about this engine and have yet to hear anything as powerful as this sounds at high revs;


    "With a single four-barrel carburetor they were rated at 616 horsepower (459 kW) at 7,000 rpm & 515 lb·ft (698 N·m) of torque @ 3,800 rpm, and while equipped with dual four-barrel carburetors they made 657 horsepower (490 kW) at 7,500 rpm & 575 lb·ft (780 N·m) of torque @ 4,200 rpm. Ford sold them via the parts counter, the single four-barrel model as part C6AE-6007-363S, the dual carburetor model as part C6AE-6007-359J for $2350.00 (as of October, 1968). Weight of the engine was 680 lb (308 kg).[36]

    Ford's hopes were cut short, however. Although Ford sold enough to have the design homologated"

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ3mNQEAFJQ]427S/O Break in - YouTube[/ame]


    won't hear this at a european meet
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8kf5JI8kTw]Trans-Am Series Racing Cars: 2010 Monterey Historics Part 1 of 2: Paddock - YouTube[/ame]
     
  10. jm2

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    Trans Am cars.......very cool!!
     
  11. WJGESQ

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    New car? Seems strikingly familiar in most everyway, except for the Camero butt glued onto the back.
     
  12. ForzaV12

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    an optometrist may be of help?
     
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    Lee,

    458 Redline 9,000 RPMS
    McLaren 12C 8,500 RPMS

    1965 Corvette depending on RPO Engine option assuming 5,500 to 6,000 RPMS.

    Best Always,
    Tony
     
  14. jimmyb

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    Indeed it is. There are folks that just love to pick on the good old Chevy small block because of push rods/etc, but it is STILL an amazing engine....very compact, very light, very cheap to maintain, very reliable, and gets amazing fuel mileage.

    Jimmy
     
  15. leead1

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    Tony. feels right to me. I did not know my Mclaren had such a high rev limit.

    On the 65 vette I do not know what a RPO is? Mine is a 327/365hp. 5,500 revs sound about right.

    When I had the wngine redone my freind put in a slittle more cam and he said that brought the car to 390hp. At the time I had a 427/290hp vette coupe. my 65 convertible was a little quicker so I think his hp estimate was spot on.

    Best

    Lee
     
  16. DoctorV8

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    #341 DoctorV8, Sep 11, 2013
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    '65 was the last year for the fuelie solid lifter 327, that redlined at 6500 even back in the day.
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  17. leead1

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    Great picture of those unbusy wood steering wheels without the airbags. Just a great photograph that brings back fond memories.

    Question: my 1965 Vette is a carburated 327/365hp engine. Does it have solids?. I ask because I have never had the lifters adjusted.

    I di have my 1054 vette lifters adjusted. That gentleman has retired. It is getting hard to find people that can adjust these old cars.

    Thank you

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  18. JCR

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    You posted a 427 FE OHV (Pushrod) clip. This is the right one. 427 SOHC

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ1nfaQQt-M]427 SOHC - YouTube[/ame]
     
  19. DoctorV8

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    I'm pretty sure the answer is yes.
     
  20. Senna1994

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    I think so as well on the 365 HP, by the way thank you for the wonderful photo!
     
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    The 65 327/365 engine does indeed have solid lifters, as did the earlier 327/340 engines. Easy to adjust, especially if you have the little clips that prevent oil from flying around.
     
  22. Vinny Bourne

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    Thanks for that, I just did a little more reading and found this - Ford 427 Cammer Build - 800 HP SOHC Big-Block Race Engine Assembly - Hot Rod Magazine


    Ford tested their original cammers to 8000rpm's and the one these people built now achieved 800bhp @7200. Amazing engine. That's heritage. More than 100hp per liter. This engine should have been used in the Ford GT, then that would really be a special car. It should also be sitting in the GT 500 now.
     
  23. of2worlds

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    Maybe your friend put in a hydraulic lifter cam? The solid lifter cam makes a lot more noise, that is quite noticeable.
    Does your '65 Corvette have air conditioning? If so, a very rare combination with the 365HP motor back then.
    They sold more than 5,000 Corvettes with the RPO L76 365HP motor back in 1965. Almost 300 more of those sold that year than the 350HP hydraulic lifter motor introduced for 1965. The arrival of the big block motor part way through 1965 meant no more solid lifter small blocks in the Corvette after 1965. It was not until 1970 when the solid lifter RPO LT1 (350/370HP) arrived.
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  24. leead1

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    I have never heard the tappet noise that comes with loose tappets. I was thinking the same thing. I really do not remember but I have a faint recollection of him asking me if I wanted that cam you mention.

    My '65 vette has AC. I am sure that was added later. The car also has power steering. I am not sure if they even offered powersteering in '65. It works perfecetly as if it was factory. It also has a Hurst 4 speed shifter. Looks great but I am not sure if that is orginal?

    I know I will spell this wrong nut it has "monochromatic" springs also. I was told these are plastic and maintain their shape virtualy for the life of the car. All I know is they do not sqeak and the car handles midly better than stock.

    My freind native troy is one this site he may know. He works with David who did the engine rebuild many years ago.

    Best
    Lee
     
  25. leead1

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    The '65 Vette has lake pipes so it is wonderfully loud for that reason. The cam David put in has a little lope in it, which I love.

    In that day you would very seldom see a vette or any car with lake pipes. Now these cars of that vintage all seem to have it.


    My car came with radial tires with knock of wheels. The owner of the car also gave me the orginal skock off wheels the car came with when new. They are sitting in my attic. The hard top roof likewise is sitting in the back of my storage garage. Someday it may be calauble.

    Best

    Lee
     

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