Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Personally I will not believe a faster time from Mclaren now , I am certain if it cant beat a 1700kg , luxuriously appointed cabrio around the ring then it does not have a hope in hell against the La Ferrari .

 

Napolis , for your clarification matey

and I quote

Energy, which would normally be wasted, is captured by the electric motor when lifting off the throttle, and harvested in the battery, especially in higher gears. The decision was taken to maintain a consistent feel during braking – crucial for performance driving – and for this reason, direct braking kinetic energy regeneration is not employed. ‘The priority is the driving experience,’ notes Dan Parry-Williams. - See more at: McLAREN P1 : McLaren Automotive Media Centre

so yes on lifting off throttle but no on braking .

McLAREN P1 : McLaren Automotive Media Centre

 

word is the 918 has more to offer as the active aero was not enabled during Ring run. Also it was running standard street tires and not R compound track biased tires.

 

Really its not important IMO , it was mclaren that said they would make "the fastest track car and the best drivers car ever " Porsche wanted to be 10 seconds faster than the carrera gt and ferrari havent threatened anyone .

When you talk like that , you need to back it up with results imho . 3 times at the ring to "shatter" a record and getting a 704 when a luxuriously appointed spyder ( in comparison ) gets a 657 is almost a disgrace and ( just to clarify) I couldnt care less about ring times !"

 

The 918 isn't just any regular 1700kg, luxuriously appointed cabrio. It's a wonder piece engineered to a level of stupor by the humble masters of their craft. I mean 6:57 ring time is insane by any standard, even more so considering weight, tire etc. I won't be surprised if LaFa can't beat that. Everyone complained about the heaviness of the 918, and how the P1 would destroy it because of it's aero, lightness, power, blahh blahh blahh...
The crazy thing is porsche has engineered the 918 to get much better as technology improves, and they've structured that support system for the future. It will certainly happen that in a few years porsche will offer more powerful and lighter battery pack..... Who knows, maybe later they will have a battery pack with enough charge to lap the ring twice without full degeneration

I salute all three hypercard, I salute Mclaren for building a very wonderful machine, I'm sure it is, but Porsche is just different

 

Here Here! Makes me glad I put a deposit on one

 

Congratulations , the 918 is the most glorious thing .

 

I think you did the right thing.

Congrats!

 

Congrats Mate!

It was actually wtdoom's experience he shared on TS about the 918 that gave me the final conviction to put my deposit on the porsche, I was contemplating the Huayra, but I'm very glad with my final choice.
Thanks again ..doom

 

Thanks Jim...I think it will be a nice contrast to the CGT. However, I did spec it to Meteor Silver with Onyx black/ silver piping which will be very close to my GT. Should look interesting next to each other

 

Bloody hell , thats some responsibility !
Seriously though , you will love it .

 

I'm going for Feb 015 production for April 015 delivery.

Your all black will look incredible mate.

Cheers!

 

New video of the P1 in black, the car looks pretty cool in motion. Better than I thought based on pictures.... They always do though, eh? I swear you can see the downforce...

I'd still have the Ferrari just because of the V12 engine note. But I am a sucker for engine sounds and don't care much about 'ring times.

 

So to summarise where we currently are in this contest of the super hyper cars:

- 918 - exceeding all expectations. Brilliantly engineered. Packed with innovation. Not too wild on the styling front but good job by Porsche standards. Far quicker than anyone thought it would be on a track - and proving it with cold hard numbers. Gaining respect and support. Cheapest to buy and own by a country mile.

- LaF - still teasing us... Promises much. Looks divide opinion. Lovely noise. Sold out (or close to it). Bench racers expect it to be quick because of a combination of highest power, decently low weight and some trick aero - but who knows? Not much else to say and there hasn't been any new news about it for the best part of 6 months. The most expensive, but also the one least likely to take a bath come resale time (hopefully)

- P1 - fading star. Marketing machine in hyper drive backed up by history of the McLaren F1 means expectations are in over drive. Not very pretty to look at. Attempting to change the rules of the game re what's possible with a road car on track. Very cool aero. Cool videos. Turning out to be a bit of a MP4 parts bin special. Significant concerns that Hybrid technology choices leading to lack of track performance over any distance longer than a short sprint. Trying to sell the fewest units (375) and struggling... Over priced?

 

Good attempt Subirg...Quattroruote would love for to employ you. Now a qualified interpretation:

918: 6 minutes 57 seconds around N'ring. Fact

LaFerrari: Sub 7 on simulator. Fact

P1: 7 minutes 4 seconds around N'ring. Car was not at limit. Proof? Data sheet. Yes. Fact

Other evaluations are subjective, only can be judged when independently tested. Fact

 

Oh, my...

Aldo Costa, is it you?

LOL

 

Must be Giacomo Agostini

 

some kind of irony/paradox there I think

 

I was with the P1 a couple of days ago on t he road not the track . I spoke ( again) to technicians who built the car and the drivers drivers that drove it ( as well as experiencing the car first hand , I WAS a prospective buyer ) and hilariously you seem to know "fact" that they do not .

Under 7mins was a number plucked out of thin air by ron . after 3 attempts they cannot get below 704 . They only came down " a couple " of seconds the last 2 times . What changes are being made ? The cars are due to be delivered next week , if they ever do get below 7 what will the car used have in common with with customer cars ? They would have gone below in 3 attempts if they could have .

Ron said "fastest car on track and best drivers car ever" , they cant even beat a luxury cabrio ? Again P1 should have destroyed everything , ironically that is a FANTASTIC TIME (7.04) it just looks bad AFTER you remember Rons quotes .

Silly mistake anyway , I dont buy cars like this because of a ring time and I dont know a single person that does .

Dont even get me started on the quality .

Here , a million pound interior ? You decide ...

 

Your photo for reference and looking at it I have to agree.

As for the rest.

True. True.
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Red lines are a dangerous thing to lay down as Obama has found out.

 

I've been in a 12c; not the p1; but after finally seeing the interior of the p1 - it really is all falling into place. We know its the same tub used for both cars, but the interior looks exactly the same....
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Random 12c interior shot pulled off the web....

 

Seeing themSide by side is really a bit wow.
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Gentlemen how do you all post pics ?
I seem to be only able to post links , I have some more pictures .