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Who will be strongest in 2014?

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  1. Ferraripilot

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    We're all writing off 2013, someone else may win another race or two this year but it's all for not. Red Bull's strategy was a smart one, push 2013 until the championship is locked so they can dedicate 75% of their resources to 2014. They have clearly done that, they can probably cease development of RB9 and come out on top, easily.

    We know 2014 testing will begin a bit earlier than predicted as I believe January will be the first testing dates. That's not all that far away really.

    I know it's early, but speculation hasn't been this high for many years, possibly decades. Some of the old guard here can comment better than me of course.


    We know Ferrari have supposedly finally got their hands around their wind tunnel issued and they have stacked their departments to capacity. Ferrari have not shown their engine, and probably for good reason as I suspect they are making a jewel as they always do.

    Mercedes have been working at a very high capacity for nearly a year now, and they just bumped up their giant vacuum ovens (for making carbon fiber), from 2 units to an unprecedented 5 units. Merc are ready for all out carbon fiber and CFD war.

    Newey has been known to not grasp to major rule changes as quickly as some. RB's manufacturing capacity is good but the concept of their base design they have been riding since 2010 is turning on its ear for 2014 not to mention they are not making their own drivetrain nor have any data advantage over Renault's other customers.

    I actually suspect Red Bull to be in a fist fight with Mclaren while Ferrari and MB duke it out in a somewhat disgusting display of spending and driving.


    the conjecture starts.....
     
  2. DeSoto

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    Actually, Renault announced a few years ago when they sold their own team that from then on Red Bull would become their "official" team and that they were going put some guys at the Red Bull factory to make sure that their engine was designed with Red Bull´s needs in mind.

    Also, if Ferrari and Mercedes have a lot of ground to recover, McLaren has a lot more, so I don´t think that they will close to Red Bull. Not saying that it can´t happen, but I wouldn´t bet on that.
     
  3. Simon^2

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  4. Far Out

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    John, I'm somewhat surprised you're not telling us that Mercedes will with 100% certainty win everything in 2014 - seems they're in for a rough ride, then :)

    All kidding aside, I believe we will see those with the biggest pockets at the front again, meaning: Ferrari and Red Bull, with Mercedes having them in sight.

    The upper mid field (to which McLaren too belongs nowadays...) is where it gets interesting. The possibility is high that some teams may totally fail and drop behind were they are while others get their package completely right and can occasionally play with the big boys.
     
  5. DF1

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    Permane from Lotus expects Red Bull and Wolff echo'd his overall point. So we have already 2 team senior members predicting Red Bull to be strong.

    There was a report on BBC about FA and his future. They stated Ferrari were already having motor development problems and wanted the FIA to allow teams to have more engines for the year in 2014. Yes- who knows really.

    Testing will be a huge media event this year. Why wait to speculate :) !!!!!
     
  6. rmani

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    I think ferrari will be strong. Their driver lineup will at least make sure they are competitive
     
  7. Ferraripilot

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    Testing will be a huge media event this year. Why wait to speculate :)




    Agree. It's going to be a circus.
     
  8. vinuneuro

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    If the engines are relatively equal, Red Bull. Otherwise it's anyone's guess.
     
  9. freshmeat

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    Marussia is going to be strongest.
     
  10. DF1

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    Please Caterham will embarrass Red Bull from race 1!!! They are getting Kova back. We shouldnt bother watching at all!! :)
     
  11. tifosi12

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    Ferrari and Alonso for WDC
     
  12. Ferraripilot

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    I could see that as being a possibility. Additionally, seeing Ferrari as WCC wouldn't surprise me either. Ferrari know how to make a drivetrain, but my concern is with Magnetti Marelli and their progress with their ERS and energy harvesting systems. They're in this together.


    Honda are playing an interesting hand. They are going to eyeball every manufacturers units during 2014 and do their best to one-up everyone else in 2015. Not going to happen that quick I'm afraid. What's on the outside will only be half this battle, if that.
     
  13. Wolfgang5150

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    Actually, as painful as this sounds, Newey has stated he LOVES rule changes. It allows him to really think creatively. He really hates periods where there are rules being frozen....
    As for 2014, who the F knows....we all have our favorites, but it's wide open.
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  14. Remy Zero

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    Hopefully Ferrari can get it right finally. Been 2nd class for so many years now..
     
  15. 2003Enzo

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    As much as I want Red Bull to have some real competition, the 2014 changes are not really that substantial. There are a bunch of changes but other than the engine, nothing is too crazy from what I can read and Adrian Newey will have no problem adapting.


    The biggest changes in my opinion, apart from going to a V6 setup, are the central exhaust exit(end must point upwards) and the fact that gear ratios are fixed for the entire season. The problem is that all the teams are facing this same design challenge and Newey is probably the best at getting the most from these restrictions.
     
  16. Igor Ound

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    My question is how would the unions react to another year of Mercedes spending even more?
     
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    I'm not that concerned about the unions at this point: MB is doing well
     
  18. TifosiUSA

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    Mercedes and Ferrari at the top.
     
  19. Ferraripilot

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    Historically speaking, Newey is usually on the back foot when major design changes occur, it's actually been Brawn and Bell (both MB now) who have adapted to new changes best.

    Engines, engine mapping, and aerodynamics will all be about equal is my position for 2014. Mapping and energy harvesting combined with how they compliment the turbo (literally disposing of all turbo lag) and if the electric motor operates on a gyroscope-type device which monitors wheelspin and reduces output (a type of traction control not defined in the rules!) will be the winner. This powertrain will no doubt employ a huge amount more rules in the next 5 years, engineers will find clever niches.

    I will be looking for rear brake ducts that are almost overly clever and complicated, clever nose cone designs, and whether sidepods will carry water cooling on one side and intercooler turbo cooling on the other OR turbo cooling just on one side with water radiators on both. There's no doubt some wiggle room to do something different with these machines hence all the
     
  20. TifosiUSA

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    Could you technically do this now?
     
  21. Ferraripilot

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    No.

    Controlling turbo spool, which will be able to be done as the harvesting device is essentially the turbo, and then controlling the output to the large ERS motor will be key and is the only place where a traction control type device will be possible. Mapping those devices to detect wheelspin and vary power output via the electric motor will be a massive advantage if anyone figures out how to do it.
     
  22. GordonC

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    Hmmm, I've always thought that Newey is best at taking advantage of new rule changes. His 1998 McLaren, for the first year of the grooved tires and narrow chassis, dominated the 98 season under the massive rule changes. The first year when the slick tires were re-introduced, 2009, along with big aero changes like the narrow rear wings and wide front wings, again Newey produced the best car of the field by far... For the conventional single diffuser cars. Unfortunately, Red Bull didn't think the double diffusers would be legal and missed the boat, and then had difficulty adapting a double diffuser to work with their new pull rod rear suspension. Even then, Newey was able to adapt, catch up, and by mid-season the RB was winning races.
     
  23. Bas

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    You'd have to say Merc, they started earliest and with the biggest team. However, Red Bull and Ferrari will be fighting back VERY hard. Ferrari will have the strongest driver line up. If Alonso loses his **** (2007 again), it shouldn't matter much, because Kimi will quite simply ignore him...

    Red Bull will not have the strongest line up, and they started quite late on their design. It'll be interesting to say the least...
     
  24. ELP_JC

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    I think Ferrari has the best chances for a WCC in 2014, but 2 strong drivers swapping positions (I think that will be the case) might give Vettel the WDC edge. We'll see. As far as other teams, MB will definitely be very close to RB and Ferrari. McLaren and Lotus are a big 'IF', but I predict they'll stay mid-field due to their driver lineup. I also agree RB might take a bit longer to catch up to Ferrari and MB, which would make the 2014 season very interesting until the end. Maybe we're underestimating RB for not making their own powertrain, but the presence of Renault at their plant could be all is needed. We'll find out soon enough :D. And yes, 2015 should be even better with Honda in the mix. Talking for myself, it's just a shame F1 switched to V6 and lower revs; the screaming V8 sound will be greatly missed.
     
  25. Wolfgang5150

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    "I enjoy regulation changes," Newey says. "Stability makes F1 very stale. The changes allow me to sit back with a fresh sheet of paper and work out solutions from first principles."
     

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