and for something entirely different.....Mp4/4

I found this today, one of the clearest video's I have seen online. The last turbo from 88 down on power vs. one of the first V10's. Just an awesome video, so cool;

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGoV2OxCrfY]????????? MP4/4 VS MP4/5 ???????????? - YouTube[/ame]

 

and this one is great for its clarity and sound comparisons, listen to the boom of the turbo engine @ 12:27 down on boost, down on rpm's and it still the only one to vibrate the place. @17:50 when they accelerate the deeper turbo drowns out most of the V10, and @19 mins the Lotus honda from 87 sounds great.

No matter what you like these Suzuka video's are awesome.

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According to this article:

Renault V6 to deliver less power > F1 News > Grandprix.com

Renault believes that the turbos should not be a whole lot less powerful than the v8s once you factor in the ERS they should approach 750 hp, with 550 to 600 hp for the race. Not exactly the good old 1980s at 1,200 hp.

 

No not at all. I do not hold much hope for these, but perhaps in some years time.....



I'm on a roll, not near full boost but still love that sound from :54 to 1:20

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVvWDzZweow]????VS??? ???? 2?? #suzuka50th - YouTube[/ame]

 

Unfortunately, no. They will be frozen like the V8s...I predict the power levels stay steady throughout the years - although reliability will improve.

 

This was a well done interview from a few months ago and surprisingly the first time Nigel and Nelson met in about 25 years. It was very honest and relaxed. They both said that Silverstone circuit of old circa 86-87 was their favorite track. Nelson was never the same after his big accident at Imola in 87 (depth perception ...) and Nigels Suzuka crash was worse then I thought. I only wish that they talked about the 87 Silverstone battle a little bit.


The black screen is intermittent but gets better in later segments Parts 1,2,3,4 to watch in English

1/4 Entrevista/Interview Nelson Piquet e Nigel Mansell - YouTube

 

Cool video, David says "I've never felt acceleration like this before" and "Rocket ship" about the mp4/4 turbo. Yet if they would roll out the mp4/3 in one of these nostalgia trips he would really have something to talk about.


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYzHvQfdTVo]Coulthard and Hakkinen celebrate 50 years of McLaren by driving classic championship winning cars - YouTube[/ame]

 

Lol. Car was only 650 HP. The cars Coulthard raced were much faster in a straight line (and corners).

 

I miss the V10 sound.

 

The expert. ^^

Dude all these F1 drivers, Coulthard, Hamilton, Berger, Brundle, Mansell, Piquet, know what they are talking about. What you fail to understand is acceleration is quite different from terminal velocity. My bike will out accelerate most everything, but is a lot slower on ultimate top end than many vehicles. You expose yourself constantly as really lacking knowledge and understanding.

 

The V12s, V10s and V8s all sound very similar, due to the V12s having a lower rev ceiling. The nod going to be V10s, as several more have expressed, since they had the highest pulses per minute overall, but not by much. The V12s and V8s are identical. The new V6s will have A TON less. And it doesn't matter if the engines had/have 1 or 2 pipes; they sound pretty much the same except if very close by. And it's not like the pipes are exiting sideways, like on an old Viper. They're separated by a foot or so and pointing back or up.

The reality is the V6s will sound pretty much like the Indy cars, which is like crap by comparison. And the 4-cylinder ones sounded even worse for the same reason. I don't think anybody here argues the racing will be different, since power output will remain basically the same. It's just the sound.

As a final comment, those 1,200-HP turbo-4 engines required unreal skill to drive them, with a clutch, gearshift lever, and no electronic aids. That's why you can't really compare Vettel vs Senna, IMO. Vettel COULD be as good of a driver, but we'll never know; Senna was for sure .

 

one of the F1 cars since 1990 with their sewing machine sound comes close to the Auto Union Type C.

 

Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, where to begin...

You might want to get your notepad and pencil out, because you're about to get a little lesson.

Wow really?! Thanks Professor Know-Nothing. I wasn't talking about terminal velocity, genius, I was talking about acceleration.

Do you really think this fuel-restricted 650 HP car with a manual gearbox and no TC would out accelerate Coulthard's McLaren MP4-19 with a 950 HP V10, semi-auto box and TC? Do you really? If you do, I have a bridge to sell you. (No really, I do, PM me for details)

His comments about "never feeling acceleration like this before" make no sense. He drove way faster. It's probably down to him being old and out of a race car for a long time and the fact that turbo cars, due to their power band, "feel" faster than they actually are. His mid 2000s V10 F1 cars would have blown the MP4/4 into the weeds in a drag race.

The earlier unrestricted turbos? Maybe, maybe not. This car wouldn't stand a chance, however.

That's rich coming from a guy that can't grasp simple math.

 

Some of you really like to jump to conclusions, let us all wait and see what happens before casting final judgment on these new cars. I for one loved the turbo era, as the cars made insane power, still had manual gearboxes, and had little or no drivers aids. Plus the cars looked a million times better then these odd new cars (especially the last ‘87/’88 cars). Also, let us remember turbo cars do not need the big revs that N/A cars do, heck some of the most powerful turbo era cars “only” revved to about 12-13K. Now I am not saying these new turbo cars will sound as good as the older ones dude to not allowing twin turbos, allowing only one exhaust pipe, and other factors, but I sure did think the later original turbo era cars sounded pretty good. Check out this video. Idle, a few revs and some fly bys (not even getting on it that hard either. 2/3 throttle at most) of a Ferrari F1-87. Sounds damn good to me!


Ferrari F1/87 - YouTube

 

It's called a dyno chart and if you knew anything about the subject I wouldn't have to explain it to you.

 

I've only dyno'ed about 10 of my cars over the years, gee I have no idea how that works, Professor Vinny! Are you going to try to tell me about power bands next? You mean like I already talked about (turbo cars due to their power delivery feel faster than they actually are). My heads/cam/nitrous Z06 Corvette would have beaten my 71mm turbo Supra (on pump gas, anyway) but the Supra felt faster due to that turbo power band.

But please, do go on, I'm excited to hear how you'll attempt to explain how a 650 HP, manual gearbox, non-TC car will out-accelerate a 950 HP, paddle shift, TC car.

If you were talking about one of your '86 cars you salivate over, it might have a chance. The '88 car would get absolutely dusted.

 

And for something different... I don´t know why McLaren still didn´t use the carbon monocoque as part of the bodywork when Toleman had been doing that since 1984.

 

Then you should know better. The 86 turbo's would generate as much as 400 bhp in the last 1000 rpm's making the curve almost a vertical line and for that period of time on the track in the right gear, those cars WERE faster and felt faster. FYI the 88 turbo's were down 300 bhp from 86 yet on the same tracks were faster (lap times) than 86. Many other factors go into fast lap times besides brute engine force. Yet the fact remains that these turbo's were the fiercest in how they delivered their power, when you win an F1 race come back and contradict F1 legends.

 

Fantastic. Man I love those V-10s.

 

The V-10 is a better sound, IMO.