RedBull and traction control

Hello Pete,

Does this help?

Red Bull’s traction secret revealed? | Racecar Engineering

Rgds

 

The benefits of the right design -- BBC Sport - Ferrari have been pretty average for three years - Gary Anderson

"Korea was a perfect demonstration of how that exhaust design works.

There was a bit of a kerfuffle before the race about Red Bull allegedly having traction control because their traction was so good in Singapore.

But good traction is exactly what allowed Sauber's Nico Hulkenberg to stay ahead of Alonso and Lewis Hamilton in Korea, and it comes down to the exhausts giving better rear downforce coming off the corners - and therefore more grip.

Sauber have a Ferrari engine - while Red Bull and Lotus use Renault - so there is no magic Renault engine mapping.

Sauber struggled earlier this year with the rear of the car giving up in corners. But since they switched to their new rear bodywork configuration around the Belgian Grand Prix, that problem has gone away and their performances have improved enormously.

That has to be down to the exhaust system.

It allowed Hulkenberg to get on the throttle early and get good traction out of Turn One so, even with the help of the DRS overtaking aid, Alonso and Hamilton could not get close enough to pass him into Turn Three."

 

Doesn't explain why Weber isn't faster. Come on.. Weber is not a bad driver. If the RB's were cheating, they'd be one-two all season long.

 

Open your mind and also ask yourself how is it possible he also gets all the problems at the start, unreliable engines, gearboxes and kers systems. I'm not a conspiracist but two suspicions make half a proof

 

I don't know, Pete; I found the article interesting, but to know if it is close - or reasonably close - to the truth is another matter. The rumor seem to have been launched by Giancarlo Minardi's rematk after Singapore.

Rgds

 

Any protests from other teams? No? Well there's your answer...

 

+1. The article from BBC explains that its not just Red Bull doing a better job with aero, but others as well. Red Bull are doing a better job of development. There is simply no conspiracy. Vettel synchs with this car better than Webber. The same with FA and Massa. This is old news.

 

Web was every bit as quick on race pace yesterday, especially when pushing

 

I think that it was Steve Matchette on NBCSN who suggested that to make the RB diffuser work best the driver has to get on the throttle early in corners. Seb does Webber doesn't.
While they may get the same equipment the car seems to be tuned to Seb's style and Mark suffers.

 

I will try to find the article where Gary from the BBC explains this in detail about how this car drives and Vettel likes it and Webber is not as efficient with it. Much like Kimi and his penchant for steering sensitivity.

 

Hence why Seb will be useless next year. He relies on a very solid back end

 

Don't we all?


Next year will be fascinating for many reasons.

 

A *very* bold statement indeed! Nobody goes from 4xWDC to "useless" due to the rules changing..... Who's to say his back end won't be even more solid?

+1

Fascinating? Yeah, fer sure.

Will it be "exciting"? Will the racing be "close"?

I hope I'm mistaken, but suspect one or two of the top 5 will get it right and dominate in ways that'll have the peanut gallery lamenting the "good old days".... "Bring the V8's!" "Remember when most of the grid was covered by a second!". Etc, etc.

Cheers,
Ian

 

At least half the enjoyment in F1 comes from dissatisfaction.

 

Again: A TC is a complex control system that requires a lot of functionality in the ECU which simply is not there in the mandated FIA part. Period.

That argument doesn't get better either. You're suggesting RB is pi**ing away LOADS of money - money spent as well as money not earnt through points - and putting the WCC at risk, just so that Horner and Vettel and Marko can sit in a corner and laugh how they shafted Webber? And it's equally unlikely that of all teams, RB is the only one that is only able to manufacture quality parts for only one car and not for two.

 

There you go again.
Being all logical.

 

Seb was uneasy with the early days of RB8, he only got his hands around the thing when they added more rear downforce.


IF Red Bull have fiddled with ignition mapping to make it only partially blow off-throttle (gray area) and only partially admit cylinder functionality when just jumping back on the throttle to reduce immediate torque hence more solid traction and the ability to jump on the throttle 20 meters earlier, then what Red Bull are doing is legal, albeit gray. This function will surely destroy their engines faster as it makes them run hotter as they essentially inducing a misfire. Not that it matters now because Red Bull could smoke every one of their engines for the remainder of the season and be fine.

This all being said, what they have now in this technology does nothing to help them next season when all this archaic blowing will be just that, archaic. Their new hoopty Renault units will put them on their backs.

 

Seems that poor little Sauber has radically enhanced their traction too.
I demand an investigation!

 

Thing is D, if that Redbull had a certain Shoemaker sat in it, you would hear different tune being sung on here..

 

The one with the magic elves?


Happy monday