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F40 and petrol smell in the garage

Discussion in '288GTO/F40/F50/Enzo/LaFerrari/F80' started by Maxige, Oct 9, 2013.

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  1. Maxige

    Maxige Karting

    Jun 5, 2005
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    Hi guys, so...recently moved house and finally have my own garage directly connected to the house where I can play with the car. Before that, the car was stored in a much bigger "open" space, so I never noticed any smell. After just one day of the car being parked in the new garage, the smell of petrol is quite strong...there are absolutely no leaks, fuel cells have been changed 6 years ago and all the fuel lines have been completely changed with new ones couple of months ago. So all good there!

    I guess that the smell comes from the pressure inside the tank slowly getting released by some kind of valve in the system.

    My mechanic told me to leave one of the fuel caps open so the pressure can quickly get away while the garage door is open then to close both...this should solve at least 80% of the smell.

    Does any of you who keeps the car in a small garage with poor ventilation ever had the same issue?

    Other ideas to solve that problem?

    Given I'm literally sleeping above the car I'm a bit concerned about petrol fumes in the garage...

    Many thanks for your help,
    Max
     
  2. PAUL500

    PAUL500 F1 Rookie

    Jun 23, 2013
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    On most cars there is a float valve linked to the tank, as pressure builds inside the tank due to warm weather etc the float lifts and the vapour is released. I imagine this is the same on the non cat F40 where as the cat F40 and US spec cars will utilise a carbon cannister after the float valve to neutralise the vapour in order to meet post 1992 emisions regs
     
  3. Maxige

    Maxige Karting

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    Thank Paul, so you agree that leaving the fuel cap open could release the pressure from the tank and let most of the vapours out in a quick way rather than slowly with the valve?
     
  4. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    You don't want to be breathing fuel vapor or have it anywhere near a living space where it can be ignited by any source. (Stove/electric motor spark/etc. You have to make sure that there is NO leak in the car and this is normal pressure venting. If it is you have to ventilate garage. Our garage which houses a lot of cars many of which vent into the atmosphere uses a fan that changes the garage air totally while retaining heat/ac by an air to air intercooler. In a house this may be over kill but you should definitely get the space ventalated with an explosion proof fan that doesn't have brushes that can spark. Consult an HVAC guy and get inlet and outlet to vent the fumes.
     
  5. JH

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    This!! Don't play with your health and family's safety. It will cost money, but it's only money.
     
  6. Maxige

    Maxige Karting

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    I'm having a specialist coming over next week!

    I guess an air ventilation system is the answer to all my needs.

    Many thanks for the feedback guys, always appreciated!
     
  7. PAUL500

    PAUL500 F1 Rookie

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    That or have an o/e or aftermarket carbon cannister installed into the vent line from the tank. They are quite small and would be easy to install. They normally work off a solonoid and vent the treated gases back into the combustion process when the car is running via the plenum but that is just to meet emissions regs, they can vent to atmosphere instead.
     
  8. TimTifosa

    TimTifosa Karting

    Mar 21, 2007
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    My car doesn't smell in the garage. It is a Eurospec with cats.
    Occasional fuel smell when tanks full.
    Interested to know the final diagnosis.
     
  9. PAUL500

    PAUL500 F1 Rookie

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    If you have cats then you will have the carbon cannister set up as well in order to meet the then new 92 regs
     
  10. YearOne

    YearOne Karting

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    My car smells of fuel when parked up in its smaller garage, Euro pre-cats.
     
  11. PAUL500

    PAUL500 F1 Rookie

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    Could also be a bag tank/fuel hoses issue as well, I believe the rubber does become porous and perspires over time.
     
  12. Maxige

    Maxige Karting

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    Non cat here as well! Smell it's much better now, left the garage door open 30 mins yesterday and it's much much better.

    Neighbours were happy as well! :)
     
  13. ross

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    i have the f40 and the bbi parked in the same small garage and it always smells of fuel. i asked the same question here and then checked for leaks etc - none. its just a question of the cars venting themselves.

    so, in your case i would take jim's advice. luckily my garage is well away from the house so i dont worry about it.
     
  14. TimF40

    TimF40 Formula 3

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    My F40 also had a garage fuel smell. I tracked it down to coming out of one of the air cleaner intakes. Leaky fuel injector dripping onto the piston and then wafting up thru the intake into the garage. Got them cleaned and absolutely no more fuel smell. Before I got it fixed by Rifledriver, I always told myself it was normal. Nope.

    Tim
     
  15. ross

    ross Three Time F1 World Champ
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    unfortunately we cannot all go to rifledriver :(
     
  16. fbrs2

    fbrs2 Formula Junior

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    Is there something special about the F40 bag tank that it needs to 'vent' fuel vapour? No 80's/90's era car I ever owned smelled of fuel!
     
  17. PAUL500

    PAUL500 F1 Rookie

    Jun 23, 2013
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    All fuel tanks vent, in the early days through the fuel cap and then later via a vent valve. Depends which country you live in I guess. Europe did not go over to cats and carbon cannisters on cars until the 1992 regs were introduced. I believe the US and many other countries have had these requirements since the 70s

    Good call on the injectors, probably with the F40 using 16 then the risk of a leaky one is a lot greater than most cars
     

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