Why do the Ghiblis worth 4 times less than Daytona, Iso Grifo, and Bizzarini ?

The company celebrated their centenary in 2010, so 1910 is the actual date they use. Was a great year for us Alfisti.

Isn't FIAT older? And once upon a time the top Italian race car ...
Pete

 

Yes they celebrated in 2006 and 2010. Watch for another celebration or two marking the acquisition of A.L.F.A. by Nicola Romeo in 1915 and probably another in around 1918 for the the naming of the company as Alfa Romeo. Then of course there is also the first car badged as an Alfa Romeo in 1921.

 

Oh interesting as I heard nothing for 2006 ... but in 2010 saw and heard my first 159 Alfetta, just awesome!
Pete

 

Nope. Makes them just more reliable.

Classic Ferrari are everything but sophisticated cars. Under many aspect they are rubbish.

but

Ferrari has an uninterrupted race history that supports sales and "legend", so road cars benefit by such history.

Iso and Bizzarrini have no race history but they have been produced in very small numbers. And we all know that production numbers are "heavy" on the final value of a classic car.

 

Gentlemen, I'm looking at an automatic 4.7 Ghibli but has never driven one & was told it drove like a boat which is not really exciting news to me except that it's on webbers & designed by Giugiaro.

It'll be a weekender & possibly just one of those highway touring stuff but more for collecting. Car is thousands of miles away from me & getting an inspector to check it out so would like to hear from you owners. Thanks.

 

Probably better to put this in the dedicated Ghibli thread.
These are old cars so it's probably best to drive one first.
It's a live rear axle with leaf springs.
Similar layout to a vintage Camero/Firebird.
Much more nicely built of course.
If you're collecting only looks and appreciation matter right?

Go drive one.

 

Does it have power steering? Without it the car feels heavy. The PS transforms the Ghibli into a very enjoyable ride.

Ivan

 

Thanks guys. P/S? Good question!

Well, unfortunately, there's none in my area that has one to even see not to mention test drive so it's always buying blind in a way. Should've gotten a 3500 Sebring 2 years ago when a good RHD unit was just US$80K on carbs.

 

Yes, its true. It's all about the noise and bad boy image.
If the Ghibli sounded like a Daytona and had that bad boy image the price would be comparable.
You just can't go back in time, so we are stuck with 1/3 the price.
The image of the Ferrari is quite different from that of the Maserati always has been, and is today.
A gentlemen's car, not so sporty.
The reality is the the sportier car is much more in demand and here is where the market takes over and tells us what the prices will be.
Just my .02 Lira
Ciao,
FGM

 

and that works to my (and many others) advantage, we get a gentleman's car at a reasonable price.

not much of an investment, but then again I personally don't care, I buy them to drive them

 

I drove a Dayton about a week ago and I find the sound of the Ghibli, especially with the quad exhaust, has nothing to envy that of the Daytona. The Ghibli sound is different but just as exhilarating.

As for ease of driving, the Ghibli with power steering wins hands down. The Daytona took some muscle when making turns at slow speeds, similar to a Ghibli without PS. I do think the Daytona wins in interior design ... those seats and door panels are very cool. Exterior design, I find both cars attractive and give equally high marks to both.

Let's face it, if sound and performance is what you are seeking there are plenty of used cars you can buy for around $25K that will out drive either a Daytona or the Ghibli. The reason someone will fork out the money for either of these two cars is because of their unique styling, exclusivity and vintage car driving feeling.

I've said it before, I believe the reason the market values the Daytona so much more has nothing to do with the sound, or the 12 cylinder or the independent suspension .... it has everything to do with brand image and exclusivity. Ferrari has build an enviable brand image and the Daytona has been one of the pillar cars that has helped support that brand image. It is what it is and the direction Maserati has taken into building cheaper cars for the masses will further diminish the aura and value of the Maserati brand.

Ivan

 

I should had mentioned that the reason I was driving a Daytona is because I am in the market for one. I do like those cars and it is one I want to own before I kick the bucket.
Please PM if you know one for sale. I do not need a triple Platinum

Ivan

 

I could not disagree more with Ivan.
I do agree with Maserati Blue, buy them while they are reasonably inexpensive, if you want to drive em and have fun.
FGM

[QUOTE The Ghibli sound is different but just as exhilarating.
Ivan[/QUOTE]

 

I wouldn't say ferrari had a bad boy image, it was more of a racers image. Lamborghini really took on the bad boy image, where as Maserati was the refined gentleman's GT for the successful businessman (incidentally the type of car Ferruccio originally wanted to build).

Maserati's image is pretty much the same as Aston Martin without James Bond, as far as the Daytona is concerned, it is considered the last of the hairy chested Ferraris from the Enzo era.

 

I think maybe your post formatting got mixed up?

Did you mean to disagree with everything or just the exhaust characterization?

 

Just the exhaust note.
FGM

 

At this point in time if you look at the quality of the product Daytona vs Ghibli there are so many more Daytona's in show condition than the Ghibli. For the new car collector these well restored cars offer more value and less maintenance.

 

Same with the Grifo I think they use the same ZF unit. I have spoke with a number of people that have used the electric steering add-ons and they all had very favorable comments.

 

Most, if not all Grifos did NOT have power steering.

 

I know of at least seven Grifo's, that had factory installed ZF power steering. There were also some cars built with quick steering similar to what Bizzarrini used. In addition many Fidia's and Lele's had P/S too. I currently have a Ford powered Lele with this option.

 

Certainly not all Iso's are way up there, it's just the Grifo. The Fidia, Lele and IR are still very attainable.
De Tomaso is another example: The Vallelunga is expensive, all the rest are relatively cheap, including the Mangusta.
Bizzarini has of course a rich racing and engineering history, and last but not least, the styling is decidedly sixties. They all look racy and are that too.

Maserati, also today, always lacked an out and out sportscar (excluding MC12 and Barchetta), the focus was more on civilized and it had its' own niche. It never pretended to be a Ferrari, nor did it have the philsosphy of the prancing horse, a thing the latter had continuously.

Then there is, of course, the cart-sprung rear end. It may work to a certain degree, but it lacks all sophistication associated with cars at that level.

Ghibli's are really beautiful cars and they will get to their justified spot on the ladder, just consider yourself fortunate that you can buy one now at an affordable level -still-.

Best,

Jack.

 

I would love, really love a Daytona, I still admire the Grifo especially the sleeker front but I could afford the Ghibli. It still makes me happy that I can and so far the parts have been very reasonable too. It won't stay that way forever but will trail the others due to numbers/ marque image . It has an up and down side, I have benefitted from the downside and will one day have a great car

Julian

 

Almost all Leles were built with power steering, the only ones that weren't were the 2 real Marlboro cars built for the Iso Marlboro F1 drivers.

 

That doesn't explain Aston Martins and early Lamborghini GT cars. Lamborghini did not have a racing history and Miura aside their early GT cars are very similar to Maseratis of that era, which is actually the type of car Ferruccio originally wanted to build. Aston was still using a live axle rear well into the 1980s.

 

i have had two lele's both 1971's, one auto one 4 speed.both chev engines. neither had powersteering.
nor did my 1969 grifo 7litri by the way.
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